relative does not want information listed in reports

I have a relative who has found a website, where is is listed. He cites

David Nicholson...

As someone of British ancestry who lives in Canada, neither my date of
birth, nor my links to my siblings or first cousins are freely available.
Many relatives I have discovered (by posting a common ancestor) do not want
their personal information available to the general public. I respect that
and, as it happens, feel the same way myself. I do not want to answer the
phone to some telemarketer wishing me a happy birthday (just one example).

I can appreciate there are people who do not feel this way, however. Why
not respect people who don't want their personal information published on
line - and those who do?

David Nicholson

"invasion of privacy" and demands to be removed. (to be fair, he consented

Robert Heiling...

Can't say I blame him. I'd do the same myself.

to information being retained if a login system using SSL is used, but that
cant cant be used in printed matter).

Robert Heiling...

That sounds as though the terms of his consent are being violated and/or also
the possibility that matters weren't fully explained in order to gain that
restricted consent.

The program I use (as do many others) provides for global or individual
filtering of information for living people, but this causes massive loss of
data (using global filtering) or a lot of work on an individual basis.

My concern is broken lines: how do you deal with this?

Lesley Robertson...

I don't publish information on living people, and only share it with known
relatives and their permission. It's in my database, but not given out.
Because people know this is my policy, they are more willing to give me info
that they would be if they thought I would publish it.

Mike...

[snip]

Charles Ellson...

The nearest equivalent unique and personally-allocated number is the
National Health number which originally took over the (WW2-originated)
identity card numbers derived in more recent times from birth records;
in the last few years these have been re-issued as 16-digit ISO-format
numbers but in most cases you'll probably have to ask your own doctor
what your number is.

The Social Security system has in the past used what originated as
(and are still known as) "National Insurance" numbers in the format
LL NN NN NN L but these are not universally-issued and for various
reasons (honest and otherwise) some people are recorded under more
than one number and many others (probably mostly older married women
below pension age) have never had one because they have never been
employed. Although Dept. of Work and Pensions paperwork displays the

Peter...

I've always understood (quite possibly wrongly) that everyone was/is
issued with an NI number when they leave school or attain the age of
16 (18?) irrespective of their future employment status.

Charles Ellson...

When I started work the number was allocated on the first occasion
that the NI stamp card was obtained. Anyone employed cash-in-hand
without contributions being paid thus avoided the system, as would
those who stayed at home without formal employment; consequentially
they would also have no contributions record and thus no entitlement
to various state benefits.

James Dempster...

Certainly I was issued with an NI number at 16 on a little bit of
cardboard. I'm now in my 40s so it would have been in the 1970s. I
also recall getting a rather flimsy plastic card too as a replacement
probably in the last 10 years.

I actually have my number memorised (sad isn't it) and I see it every
month on my payslip.

Ali...

In 1968, aged 18, I was given an NI stamp card bearing a newly issued NI
number. Since I would be keeping the number for life, I considered
memorising it to be worthwhile. I've never had a plastic card telling me the
number.

James
James Dempster

You know you've had a good night
when you wake up
and someone's outlining you in chalk.

NI number this is IMU mainly for the convenience of the public and the
internal numbering possibly now uses a variant of the NH number or the
current number itself. The Inland Revenue (now HM Revenue and Customs)
also used to use NI numbers in correspondence but as they haven't
written to me for about 10 years I don't know their current practice.

Peter...

Unfortunately they have written to me and on the top of the letter
there are three references

1. a 10 numerical digit UTR
2. A tax reference (which is my NI number)
3. An employer reference number

Although when you ring the tax office they ask for your NI number to
identify you on their database.

Ye Old One...

We have what is called a National Insurance number. Very few people
would know theirs without looking it up. On most government forms
which require it if you don't enter it it never seems to make a
difference. In recent years people have been sent a credit card sized
plasic card with their number on it, I don't know many people who
could finmd theirs without turning the house upside down.

It is not used as a form of identification other than with a few
government departments, and as they already know it it is often left
to them to look it up.

Any wage slip will have the NI number on it, as will year end tax
printouts and the like.

You don't use an NiNo (as they are sometimes called) as a form of ID
for banks etc.

Your relative is entitiled to his/her privacy and can request you remove
deatils, I
suggest (if your gene prog allows) to XXXX XXXX his/her name, this allows
your global tree to be maintained, if a name has to be included then simply
make
up any name and then explain in the notes section that 'by request the name
is not
for public viewing'

Some have a timeframe cut off so that names after 1930 cannot be included on
a public site, Rootsweb does this for you.

Lesley Robertson

p.s. what other objections have you found/heard regarding publishing family

f/fgeorge...

FIRST make a backup of your data. Then go back thru your data for
this person and change it to "living" and then leave the rest of it
alone. Make sure you do this on the backup only, NOT the original.
Then only post the backup. Normally you will only post your data to a
website periodically, so doing this rarely should not be an issue.

Christopher Jahn...

Legacy's website creator not only allows you to suppress details of
living relatives, it will replace their name with "Living." This
completely addresses the issue; details are hidden, and the lines
remain unbroken.

James A. Doemer...

In the era of identity theft, I never publish information for the living.

history?

Robert Heiling...

You multi-posted this to alt.genealogy and soc.genealogy.computing instead of
cross-posting. That mistake can cause 2 disjoint threads without the desired
interaction of full participation in one thread. I've attempted to help by
cross-posting this one.

Sarns...

If it's freely available by public research, i have no problem publishing
it... if it is more private, i edit the details.

Steve Hayes...

I can understand if your relative does not want to appear on a public web
site, and there are places (like Tribalpages) where you can put password
protected uinformation, and give the password only to known relatives.

But if your relative doesn't object to a password-protected site, why should
he object to hard copy reports being sent to relatives?

I use Legacy, which allows some individuals to be marked "private", and
private notes to be enclosed in [[square brackets]] so they won't print in
reports.

No Spam...

I use Family Tree maker V10.
I would like to be able to exclude the information in the Notes
section when passing on GED/FTW files. I don't seem to be able to do
this in FTM.

Could I open a GED file from FTW in another genealogy program which
would strip out the information in the notes?

Any ideas please?