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"Prince of Carignan" in 1859
27 Oct 2006 08:02:58 -0700
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Hello all,
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So I'm doing dissertation research at the Archives of the Ministry of
Foreign Affairs in Paris. In the course of this stuff, I've come upon
references to the "Prince of Carignan", whom the Piedmontese government
was apparently thinking of making Governor of Milan after the 1859 war
with Austria. Is this the future Umberto I? He was 15 years old at
the time, and seems to be the oldest living member of the House of
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Savoy besides Victor Emmanuel himself (he had younger brothers, and his
cousin, the Duke of Genoa, was even younger. There don't seem to have
been any other living members of the family - Victor Emmanuel's brother
had died in 1855).
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If so, as seems to be the only possibility, why was he called "Prince
of Carignan" rather than "Prince of Piedmont"? Wasn't this latter the
usual title of the heir to the Sardinian throne? Or am I missing some
cadet branch that died out soon after?
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Are you sure they do not mean Eugenio, Prince of Savoy-Carignano, born
14th April 1816, died 15th December 1888.
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I am certainly not sure that they don't mean him, and now that you
point him out, he seems the most likely candidate. I was being lazy
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and only looked on the Online Gotha page, and so wasn't aware (or had
forgotten, as I'm sure I was aware of it at some point) of the line to
which that gentleman belonged. That's why I asked whether I was
missing "some cadet branch that died out soon after," which his line
certainly qualifies as.
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The term used in the correspondence is "Le Prince de Carignan." (The
writer is the Prince de la Tour d'Auvergne, the French minister in
Turin). Eugenio is called "Duke of Carignan" on Leo van de Pas's
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site. Was he given the "Duke of Carignan" title after 1859? Because
otherwise you'd expect them to call him "Le Duc de Carignan," I should
think.
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I have no knowlede of Prince Eugenio being created Duke of Carignano.
Perhaps it is best to ask Mr van de Pass where his information comes
from.
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Do you know of him having the title "Prince of Carignan"?
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Prince Eugenio and his two elder sisters were granted the titles of
Prince and Pincess of Savoy-Carignano on 28th April 1834 with right of
succession to the Sardinian throne. Their grandfather, also Prince
Eugenio, had married morganatically a certain Elisabeth-Anne or Louise
Magon-Boisgarin. Their son, Joseph de Savoie-Carignan, married better
and to Pauline-Antoinette-B=E9n=E9dictine-Marie de Quelon de la Vauguyon,
daughter of Paul-Fran=E7ois de Quelon-Stuer de Canosade, Duc de la
Vauguyon, Prince de Carency, Marquis de Saint Maigrin, and a peer of
France. Joseph died in 1825 after a career in the French army. He had
been known variously as "Baron de Savoie", "Chevalier de Savoie" and
"Prince de Savoie-Carignan". The elder daughter married Prince Massimo,
the younger married the HRH the Count of Syracuse. However, Eugenio II
did not marry well. He married morganatically 25th November 1863,
Felicia Crosio. Their children were granted the title of Count or
Countess Villafranca-Soissons.
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Please also see Note 194 at
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Thanks for the help, in any event.
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Another, vaguely related question. I notice that Prince Napoleon,
Napoleon III's cousin, is occasionally informally called "Jerome." Why
is this? It doesn't appear to be one of his given names, (Napoleon
Joseph Charles Paul, according to Paul Theroff), and for much of the
length of the second empire, his father, the actual Jerome, was still
alive. So what's the deal with that?
Thanks to all.
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