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Precedence of the Lord Speaker
16 Nov 2006 06:24:04 -0800
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Antonio...
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What is the place of the holder of the newly created role of Lord
Speaker in the UK order of precedence?
Has a specific place in the order of precedence been assigned to that
office since the Lord Chancellor ceased to be Speaker ex officio of the
House of Lords?
Does Baroness Hayman, the Lord Speaker, rank above or below the Lord
High Chancellor? Does the Lord Speaker rank above or below the Speaker
of the House of Commons?
What is the place of the Lord Speaker in the precedence within
Parliament? (in this last question I have the precedence of the "Act
for Placing the Lords" in mind, and the fact that the Lord Speaker is
obviously not mentioned in that enactment)
Turenne...
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She will take precedence immediately *after* the Speaker of the House
of Commons.
Breton...
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Interesting. This is the reverse of the situation in Canada where the
Speaker of the Senate takes precedence immediately "before* the Speaker
of the House of Commons. For interest the official table of precedence
for Canada is found at
Note that the Sovereign when in Canada takes precedence before the
Governor General (naturally).
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Antonio...
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Thanks. But they have created a very strange situation, then. It would
be only natural if the Speaker of the House of Lords were to take
precedence before the Speaker of the House of Commons, given that the
House of Peers is the Upper House of Parliament (a fact that is
restated in all Letters Patent used for granting Royal Assent to Acts
of Parliament)
Tom Wilding / Stephen Stillwell...
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In the US of A, it is bizarrely both ways. The Senate has two leaders The
President and the President Pro Temp - the first is ceremonial, rarely
attends, and only votes in case of a tie - the other runs the day-to-day.
The ranking is
President of The Senate
Speaker of The House
President Pro Temp
The catch is that the President of The Senate is also The Vice-President.
So he really outranks The Speaker only because he is VP, not because of his
position in The Senate.
We were told in school that the lower house is that of the people which is
why it outranks the upper house.
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Richard L
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