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royal names ... ... origins
17 May 2006 06:17:25 -0700
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b3141...
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can anyone help this non-german speaker with meaning or etymological
background of these german words associated with noble and royal houses
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a/ thuringia
Candide...
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Area of modern central Germany formally under rule of the Saxony family,
split into several "Ernestine" Wettin duchies
Saxe-Altenburg; Saxe-Coburg; Saxe-Gotha; Saxe-Meiningen; Saxe-Weimar.
Frank R.A.J. Maloney...
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[deletions]
Mention might be made of the Toringi or Turingii or Thuringii, a tribe or
confederation that occupied an area of the Harz Mountains in the Third
century C.E., an area previously occupied by the Hermunduri. The Thuringii
were conquered by the Franks in the Sixth century, but they gave their name
to the area.
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frederick...
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Named after the Thuringian people. The origins of the German state are
in the Thuringian March created in the Middle Ages. The march
developed into a landgraviate, which was subsequently fragmented into
numerous states, including what we now know as Saxony. The title of
landgraviate survived long after it disappeared from the political map.
The name of "Thuringia" was resurrected c. 1920 when the various small
former principalities of the area united to form one single state of
the Weimar Republic.
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b/ saxony
Candide...
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Basically means "land of Saxons". First a dukedom, then raised to
electoral status. Ruled by the Wettin family by two branches "Ernestine"
and "Albertine".
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frederick...
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Named after the Saxons, the same Germanic people referred to in the
phrase "Anglo-Saxon". The Saxon March was in north-western Germany,
but the mediaeval duchy was broken up as a consequence of losing a
power-struggle with the emperor. The name survived only for (a) an
area to the south-east known as Saxe-Wittenberg, ie the Electorate of
Saxony and the later Ernestine duchies, and (b) the Duchy of Lauenburg,
originally Saxe-Lauenburg, situated between Mecklenburg and the city of
Hamburg.
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c/ wettin
Candide...
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Name of a castle on the Saale near Halle>
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d/ coburg
Candide...
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Duchy of Saxe-Coburg -Gotha, now part of Bavaria
One need not speak German to find information about these subjects.
web-search or any other decent search engine will produce sufficient
results.
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frederick...
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Coburg is the name of a town in Saxony that gave its name to various
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Since 1920 in Bavaria.
Jan B=F6hme
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different partitions of Saxony over time. This is a very common
phenomenon in German history, with a state being partitioned between
two or more brothers and each new statelet generally becoming known by
its capital.
b3141...
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gggggggg ggggggggggggg
... b3141 ... i was hoping for more of an etymological//linguistic
approach. How about these possibilities for the names. Again, those
with a knowledge of german would probably be of wonderful assistance.
... 'coburg' as english 'copper' ..... guess coburg would be copper
castle or copper mountain
'thuringia' related to 'thorn' as in german 'dorn' .... in
linguistics, 'd' and 'th' and 't' are often interchangeable
.. 'wettin' having something to do with 'white'
... 'saxony' may have something to do with 'sword'
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