Isle of Man Prince?

I found this site linked to a story about the Isle of Man
I thought it was interesting and I've been to the Isle of Man once, but
don't know much about the history. The author claims that the Isle of
Man was illegally sold to England by heirs with no rights.
Anyone no anything about this? Is this legit?

Frank R.A.J. Maloney...

Looks like the typical fantasy, pretense, and nonsense we see here so often.
References to "Princess Jane" should be your first clue. There never was a
prince or princess of Man.

decraonknights...

Yeah it looks like he's doing this out of "respect for the Queen of
England." If I felt someone ripped my family off I don't think Id have
much respect for them. Although I guess if he is a descendant of the
Stanley's hed also be cousins of the Kings of England who ripped him
off to being with.

mjcar...

"Bob", aka David Howe, aka The King of the Isle of Man, appears to tie

mjcar...

Nice find; another nutter to add to the list.

When Thomas Stanley died in 1504, he was succeeded by his late eldest
son George's own eldest son and heir, in accordance with the relevant
laws of succession. A legitimate son will always succeed in preference

A. Gwilliam...

Just to play devil's advocate:

Aren't you rather assuming that Manx succession laws are identical to
those of England?

decraonknights...

I looked this up and found the following page

It stated
"A key point to remember is that the Manx law differered considerably
from that of England (whose law formed the basis of that in the USA as
well as Commonwealth countries). Manx law regarding inheritance rights
of the married partners and the children of the marriage was modified
along English lines in 1777 and again in 1852 with more major changes
in 1921, each time to the disadvantage of the woman."

King Thomas III became King in 1504 well over 250 years before Manx law
was modified. I don't know if that means his sister Jane would be the
heir but it does add some interest for me.
The other interesting thing I thought about was wouldn't the title of
King be property like a peerage? It would seem that the property still
exists even if someone doesn't want it? This pretender legit or not
did raise the issue that the property still exists.

The Queen is the "Lord of Mann," and not the Queen of Man. Another
issue I think he raises.

to a daughter. It is not surprising that when her brother acceded,
Jane Stanley made no objection nor raised any claim of her own - she
had no right to do so.

The issue of Thomas, 2nd Earl of Derby remains extant, and had they not
disposed of the sovereignty of the Island by returning it to their
overlord, the British King, it is they who would retain rights, not
someone who claims (without any evidence) to be a descendant of his
sister. Indeed, many, many thousands of people living today would have
a better claim than this loon.

A. Gwilliam...

People claiming to be King of this and Prince of that always seem to be
descended through a female line or from an illegitimate child.
Whatever happened to the good old days of secret marriages and
usurpations?!

Regards, Michael

StephenP...

The problem is that about 70% of those with English ancestry can
probably claim descent from Edward III (either side of the blanket) if
they could just prove it. The USA has no heraldic laws concerning the
use of Arms by its citizens. However, it is just a tad presumptuous to
use Royal Arms when the descent is through multiple female lines.

Where does the escutcheon of pretence come into the picture? Whose
Arms are they?

Yours aye

Stephen...

You are to be commended for being so open and receptive to the
observations and suggestions of others.

Yours aye

in with the recent spate of material from "William de Laune".

I note that Mr de Laune's friend, "the Prince of Vikeland", has a
colleague, "The Duke of Antwerp" aka Drew Howe, who coincidentally
shares David Howe's Calvert descent.

"The Duke of Antwerp" tells us that "Vikesland is setting up an
aggressive internet campaign" because "lots of folk want sir in front
of their name".

While purporting to further charitable purposes [where have we heard
this before?], it is basically just fake title selling.

mjcar...

I have been asked off-line to make it clear that I am not asserting
that the sole activity of "Vikesland" is to sell fake titles, and I am
happy to do this. As its websites make clear, it also sells pretend
coins and pretend postage stamps, solicits donations that allegedly go
to "charity" as well as to funding the "development of the nation",
e.g. the manufacture of rockets (sic), as detailed here:

Donors (eg folks who "want sir in front of their name") whose vanity
leads them to make payments to Vikesland should therefore be aware that
the cash they stump up to purchase, for instance, a worthless Vikesland
title will not necessarily all go towards charity, but may be used as
part of the "rocket" program or in funding the proposed film about
micronations.

I hope this makes things clearer.

Take a look here:

Michael Andrews-Reading

mjcar...

In fact, on this site:

we find reference to "Duke *David* Howe of Antwerp". He is said to be
Vikesland's Minister of the Interior and Business Affairs.