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Count Palatine of the Rhine
Tue, 18 Jul 2006 15:09:43 -0400
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Dean...
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What was the correct titles of the Count Palatine of the Rhine? I have
the following so far: Pfalzgraf von der Pfalz, Kurfürst von der Pfalz,
and female children known as Pfalzgrafin bei Rhein. Any help would be
appreciated.
Dean
Phillip...
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I would like to know more about this title and its history and its meaning.
I first heard about it during a TV program about the English Civil War
where Prince Rupert was mentioned.
Don Aitken...
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There are people here (if they haven't given up and gone away) who
know much more about this than I do, but here is what I know. The
terms "palatine" (from the same root as "palace") indicated a close
relationship with the feudal superior (a duke or the Emperor). The
adjective "Palatine" was attached to the substantive title, usually
Count (Graf). There were Counts Palatine of Saxony, (the Landgraves of
Thuringia), of Bavaria (the Counts of Sponheim), and Burgundy (the
Counts of Auxonne), and probably others.
The County Palatine of the Rhine was the oldest and best known of
these; it seems to have been created in 945 for the Ezzonids, and was
originally known as the Palatinate of Lorraine. It was acquired by the
Wittlesbach family in 1215. When the original territory was divided
between various branches of the house, all of them were Counts
Palatine of the Rhine, although usually described by the territories
they ruled (Count Palatine of Simmern, of Neuberg, etc.) The first
member of the family to be elected as King of Germany, Rupprecht III,
gave the senior line the rank of Electors, from which time the title
was Elector Palatine of the Rhine (Kurfurst von der Pfalz in German).
There are some other uses of the term "Palatine". One of the Counts of
Schwarzburg-Sonderhausen (Christian Wilhelm I) received the title of
"Great Palatine" in 1691; I don't know what this signified. The title
"Palatine of Hungary" was used for the Viceroy during the Habsburg
period. And, in England, a Palatinate was a fief of which the holder
had rights, particularly in relation to criminal justice, which
elsewhere belonged exclusively to the King; the Bishopric of Durham
was one, as was (and probably still is) the Duchy of Lancaster.
Hovite...
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It is easier to refer to Rupert as Prince Rupert of the Rhine; his
father was Elector Palatine of the Rhine. As with the Dauphine, the
territory ruled became known by the title of the ruler.
Several English counties were palatinates at various times. The last to
be abolished were the Bishopric of Durham in 1836 and the County of
Lancashire in 1873. (The Duchy of Lancaster is something entirely
different.)
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Graham Truesdale...
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See http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/11415b.htm
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the_verminator...
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Doesn't it depend on the timeframe, titles tended to change over time.
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