Channel Island peerages

I know about the Earl of Jersey and I found out that Baron Guernsey is a
subsidiary title of the Earl of Aylesford (and the courtesy title of the
heir). Are there any other peerages associated with Channel Island
placenames?

Sacha...

Viscount Alderney is a courtesy title of the Marquess of Milford Haven, the
senior courtesy title being Earl of Medina. There is also Baron de Saumarez
(of Saumarez, Guernsey.)

Sacha...

Mea culpa. How could I forget our war time Bailiff, Lord Coutanche
of St. Brelade and the City of Westminster, Bailiff of Jersey 1935-1962

Don Aitken...

Although the barony was only created in 1831, the family seem to have
been seigneurs de Saumarez (originally Sausmarez) since the 14th
century. Are there any remaining rights attached to these seigneuries
(other than Sark)?

Sacha...

I don't think so. The old custom of the Seigneur getting a percentage of
the price for which a house sold within his fiefdom was abolished some time
ago, much to the late Seigneur of Saumarez's annoyance!

Frank R.A.J. Maloney...

How many of these seigneuries still exist in the two Bailiwicks?

Sacha...

AFAIK, they all still exist. It's the holders of those seigneuries which
have changed over the years/centuries. For example, the Seigneur of Trinity
Manor in Jersey is now a property developer who has owned that house for
around 10 or 12 years, I'd say. In fact, he and his wife having divorced,
she lives in the Manor but I think - may well be wrong - that he is still
the Seigneur. I think that the Seigneur of St John's Manor Jersey is still
an American who is there occasionally but is, nonetheless, the Seigneur.
OTOH, the de Carterets who hold St Ouen's Manor have been there for hundreds
of years and AFAIK, the Lempriere Robin's still hold Rozel Manor. A de
Saumarez still has Saumarez Manor in Guernsey but I know much less about the
manors in that island.

Frank R.A.J. Maloney...

Seigneuries sound to me to be similar to manorial lordships in England,
i.e., a title that goes with the property.

Sacha...

The Seigneur of e.g. Trinity Manor is not Lord X, certainly.

Frank R.A.J. Maloney...

I'm sorry, but was that a "You're wrong" or a "You're right but with
qualifications"?

Sacha...

You're right. Mr Bloggs can be a Seigneur but does not become Lord Bloggs
because he's a Seigneur.

Graham Truesdale...

Just as Mr Bloggs can be a Lord of the Manor but does not become Lord
Bloggs because he's a Lord of the Manor.

There are also a number of CI baronetcies. The Carterets held two in
the 17th century (Carteret of St. Ouen and Carteret of Metesches),
both now extinct. They were also Barons Carteret of Hawnes, but I
don't know where Hawnes is.

CJ Buyers...

Isn't the title of your thread a little missleading?

Such peerages are either English, British or UK peerages. They are no
more Channel Island peerages than Dufferin and Ava, Amherst of Arrakan,
and Mountbatten of Burma are Myanmar peerages.

Frank R.A.J. Maloney...

You have a point, one which I considered when composing my posting. But I
considered that any ambiguities were cleared up by the actual text of the
posting. If I erred, I apologize.

mjcar...

I hadn't realised until today that in Jersey, the officer who carries
out the legal functions traditionally associated in England with the
Sheriff is officially called "the Viscount"

(cf vice-comes, which translates into modern English as either viscount
or sheriff).

See:

Michael Andrews-Reading