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Kate Middleton's family tree
14 Aug 2006 00:45:02 -0700
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BettyG...
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Someone has mad Kate's family tree, saying that she is William's 15th
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WmAddams...
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To the best of my knowledge all of it is true. If you (or anyone else) notices
any errors or omissions, please let me know.
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PS: I've seen several adjectives used to describe her, but this is the first
time I've seen anyone refer to her as "mad Kate" :)
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Does she have a coat-of-arms?
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WmAddams...
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I'm not aware of one, but on the other hand I wouldn't become aware of one (I'm
not a heraldist). She is not and will not become an heraldic heiress (for
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example, her paternal grandfather was a younger son, and male-line descendants
of the oldest son survive, in addition she has a brother), so it would appear
that any armour she would have a right to bear would have to be granted
personally to her.
pierre_aronax...
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As a lady to be an heiress in England to have right to use her
ancestors' arms?
mjcar...
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No; but she must be an heiress in order to pass them on. WAR's
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<=2E..>
However, what I was interested to know was if she had arms and can use
them without receiving a specific grant, not if she can pass them on.
mjcar...
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Sorry - I pressed them wrong button - I had meant to direct my comments
to Mr Rhode's reply to you, not to your original question.
You are absolutely right - if a lady's father has arms, and she is of
legitimate birth, she can use his arms in her own right (but she cannot
pass them on to her descendants unless she is or becomes an heiress).
Regards, Michael
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comments above are slightly misleading, in that it doesn't matter
whether her paternal grandfather had older brothers whose male line
issue is extant - it only matters whether her father has extant issue
in the male line (he does; she has a brother). If he does not, or if
that male-line issue should fail, then the daughter(s) become (co-)heir
to their father, and pass on his arms as a quartering to their own
descendants.
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To the best of my knowledge, her patrilineal ancestry (the Middleton line) has
not been established beyond an early-nineteenth-century carpenter.
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mjcar...
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That's not "someone" - that's William Adams Reitwiesner, a regular
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Recte: William Addams Reitwiesner
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poster here!
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mjcar...
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Err, do you mean "made", or do you know something we don't?
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mjcar...
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WAR is an experienced and respected genealogist, and has cited his
references. It seems sound to me.
Patrick Cracroft-Brennan...
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As ever, An excellent piece of work by Mr Reitwiesner!
Patrick Cracroft-Brennan
Editor - Cracroft's Peerage
The Complete Guide to the British Peerage & Baronetage
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