Slovenia & Slovakia

Do either of these countries have a royalist movement? Anyone claiming
the throne?

mikejames...

Seems like it was a duchy:

Slovenes had their first state Carinthia (Karantania) even in the 7th
century. The ancient ritual of installing Carinthian dukes carried out

Sergei Oudman...

Now there is a controversy. The region was inhabited by Romans and
Celts, who weren't too fond of Slavs in general. Carinthia comes from
Carantanum which comes from the Carni a Celtic people. Slavs just came
in there and were ruled by Avars in that part of the region. They were
later liberated from Avar rule by the good old Germans. (short version)

in the Slovene language whereby the Slovene peasantry transferred the
sovereign power to make laws for their community to the dukes fascinated
the celebrated humanist Aeneas Silvius Piccolomini, better known as Pope
Pious II. The French legal historian and philosopher Jean Bodin,
inspired by Piccolomini's tireless praise, examined the ritual in detail
and described it as an original idea for the transfer of sovereignty
that "had no parallel throughout the world.

The ritual installation of the duke of Carinthia was conducted in the
Slovene language until the fifteenth century. The installation helped
Jefferson develop the theory of the right of people to appoint their own
leaders and of the power that emerges from the people themselves, ideas
that he drew on when writing the Declaration of Independence.

Sergei Oudman...

Which was comon for that region and was a Celtic tradition not a
Slovenian or Slavic. Similar cases are to be found in Serbian
territory. The clan leader would sit on a stone chair at an oak tree,
state his ancestry etc. etc. This happened well before the Slovenes
already in the early 7th century at Stari Vlah.

As for Thomas Jefferson being inspired. I checked that out and that is
a speculation not a fact! Wikipedia is not always correct ;-)

As for the preference of Germans for e.g. Croats. Its purely political.
The Serbs were offered to join the Nazi's right before WWII. If the
did, they would enjoy the same privileges as the Croats did. Since
historically Serbs and Croats share the same roots its purely
political. Unless someone didn't like Russian and Polish
quisine........nvm..

Sergei Oudman

edespalais...

Little known in Austria, as the NAZIs dislike the Slovenes.
comesdegvdenvs

Don Aitken...

Since neither of them was ever a monarchy, it seems unlikely.

Stan Brown...

Ah, but you never know when the Mandate of Louis^H^H^H^H^HHeaven will
descend on some candidate. :-)

Less frivolously, "was never a monarchy" was not a bar to becoming a
monarchy in the nineteenth century: new nations filled thrones all
the time by electing cadets of royal houses. Look at Belgium and
Norway,(*) for instance. But a hundred years later, history is

Dag T. Hoelseth...

Norway is obviously not a good example of "was never a monarchy" or
"new nation", as it certainly was both at medieval times, under
Denmark-Norway and as an independent(*) state from 1814.

(*) Full independence was achieved in 1905.

Dag T. Hoelseth

against creating any new monarchies.

(*) Yes, I know 1905 was the twentieth century chronologically.
Culturally the nineteenth century didn't end till 1914.

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At least as far as creating monarchies de novo was concerned, it didn't
end until at least autumn 1918. In all likelihood, Finland would have
remained a monarchy today, if the chosen King had been a prince from
any of the Scandinavian houses instead of a German one, who very soon
became tainted with the German military defeat.

Jan B=F6hme

Hovite...

That isn't entirely true. Neither has ever been a monarchy under its
present name or with its current borders, but both were monarchies, or
were part of monarchies, until comparatively recently.

Slovenia corresponds to the former margravate or duchy of Carniola,
which was variously incorporated in Austria or Yugoslavia.

Sergei Oudman...

O yea lets mix up history like a Russian salad. Great so Slovenia
corresponds to the former margravate or duchy of Carnolia??? Carnolia
is a name used for a "region" and later became part of the crownlands
of Austria-Hungary. We had the Romans, Taurisci, Avars and a lot of
others enjoying the Spa's there. Slovenia was never a kingdom, unless
you count the Duchy of Carantania from the 7th century?? And even then,
the peoples that lived there are denominated as Slavic ancestors and
the genetic makeup is not the same as today. Also, Slovenia isn't a
successor of anything dating back to medieval times.

Slovenia today is a brand new country. I adopted a new coat of arms
some years after the independence but there is no monarchy in that
country, nore any n00bies that wannabe monarchists so Don is right.

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Sergei Oudman

Slovakia was for a time part of Greater Moravia, until it passed to
Hungary. For the bulk of its history, it was an integral part of the
Kingdom of Hungary, indeed, during the period when the Magyars were
under Turkish rule, Slovakia was the Kingdom of Hungary.