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H.M. The Queen, Duke of Lancaster
14 Jan 2007 23:39:12 -0800
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CJ Buyers...
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Perhaps those who do not believe that the Queen is also Duke of
Lancaster ought to direct their spleens against our good Lord
Hovite...
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The title must have a very strange remainder if it can pass through and
to females, and by conquest, by usurpation, and skip over papists.
CJ Buyers...
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Not much stranger than that of the monarch I trust?
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Chancellor (a.k.a. Secretary of State for Constitutional Affairs). He
seems to be in little doubt that the Queen holds the title of Duke of
Lancaster.
Lord Falconer of Thoroton: ...
Perhaps I may go on to the legal position on which the two noble Lords
rely. Their last point relates to the position of Her Majesty. I assume
that the position is that they are relying on the Preamble to the
Statute of Westminster because there is no other part on which they
could rely. It states:
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"it would be in accord with the established constitutional position of
all the members of the Commonwealth in relation to one another that any
alteration in the law touching the Succession to the Throne or the
Royal Style and Titles shall hereafter require the assent as well as of
the Parliaments of all the Dominions as of the Parliament of the United
Kingdom". The Bill, as is obvious, does not affect the succession to
the throne; nor does it affect one jot the Royal style and titles. *Her
Majesty's title as Duke of Lancaster is not affected in any way by the
Bill*. I should say in parenthesis that that title is not the title
which gives Her Majesty the right to sit in the House ...
Hansard, 30 Jun 1999, Column 391.
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Yes, I am no more impress than you are by that: whatever said the Lord
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Francois R. Velde...
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By virtue of what statute, letter patent or charter?
CJ Buyers...
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Not necessary. No more necessary than was the case with the titles of
Duke or Earl enjoyed by some of the younger sons of Charles I or most
of the sons of James II. So long as a peerage isn't being created, that
is.
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Chancellor and whatever his authority, it has by definition less
authority than the act itself in virtue of which the Sovereign holds
the Duchy of Lancaster.
Mr Buyer tends to treat those historical subjects with quotations of
contemporary newspapers and semi official website.
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Perhaps they ought also pen a note to the Speaker of the House of
Commons and ask him to admonish two former Chancellors of the Duchy of
Lancaster, for misleading the house?
Dr. Jack Cunningham: I will welcome *Her Majesty The Queen, Duke of
pierre_aronax...
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But he did not: he said he thought it was and he would continue to
think so. That's different. :)
CJ Buyers...
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Different to what exactly?
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Lancaster*and His Royal Highness the Duke of Edinburgh to Lancaster
next month on the 600th anniversary of the Duchy's link with the crown.
Hansard, 23 Jun 1999: Column 421.
Mr. Newton : I should perhaps first make it clear that it is not my
Duchy but that of *Her Majesty the Queen, who is also the Duke of
Lancaster*. As to the quality of water, I would regard my interest as
Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster as being the same as that of
anyone concerned with any other part of the country, which is to ensure
a high quality of water. That is the aim of the Government's policies.
Hansard, 15 May 1989: Column 13.
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