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Most instances of 'von', 'zu', 'of' or 'de'/'du'/'des'/d' in a name



Wed, 14 Dec 2005 02:17:55 GMT alt.talk.royalty
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Charles von Hamm...


Matt Lavengood...
I was talking about the pre-1789 rules, not modern.

coeurdelion...
Pre-1789: Marie-Th=E9r=E8se de V. de L. d'E. de C. de V., dame de Smith -
the distinction between sieur, dame (the normal titles, which were also
given to non-nobles of somewhat more respectable status) and Monsieur,
Madame as a form of address was then still as clear as the distinction
between Lord, Lady and My Lord, My Lady remains up to this day.
Post-1789 she would have been increasingly likely to be Madame Jacques
de Smith, a form which continues to be used at least in more formal
circles and certainly among the aristocracy. This is apparently also
used with titles, though as I understand it, only with subsidiary
titles: I have seen names like le vicomte et la vicomtesse Charles
[Family name] de [fief], but it wouldn't be done for the head of a
family, who will always be simply "le comte/marquis/duc de [fief _or_
family name]". Best regards,

Leonhard Horowski
I was interested to see the following names in list of noble centenarians:

cbstewart3rd...
de


Countess Marie-Thérèse de Viel de Lunas d'Espeuilles de Caulaincourt de
Vicence de Moustier (6)

cbstewart3rd...
ces of


cbstewart3rd...
an


cbstewart3rd...
Z"


cbstewart3rd...
ess

Renée de Hemricourt de Grunne de Schoutheete de Tervarent (4)
Viscountess Yvonne de Meeûs d'Argenteuil de la Rochebrochard (3)
Countess Jeanina de Roussy de Sales de Seyssel (3)
Countess Zoé de Jonghe d'Ardoye de Potter d'Indoye (4)
Guy de Kerchove d'Exaerde de Crombrugghe de Picquendale (4)
Ingeborg von der Osten von der Schulenburg von Alvensleben (3)

Does anyone surpass Countess Marie-Thérèse with 7 or more such instances of
'of' in a name? I suppose for the same of this question, 'zu' and 'von' can
be considered equal. Someone who is "de A de B et C" or "von X und Y von Z"
doesn't count if the 'and' breaks the name up into two or more parts (unless
acting as one component at the end).

cbstewart3rd...
Seems unfair to exclude names in which tradition omits some or all of
the conjunctions, like English, but also some others. So here's a few
extra competitors:

Charles von Hamm...
The nature of the question was specifically for names with "of" only. Anyone
can slop together a few names and hyphenate them. I want to know genuine,
noble names constructed to include "of".

cbstewart3rd...
For multiple conjunctions to be present, multiple names had to be
"slopped" on. But it didn't occur to me that adding hyphenates would
somehow prevent people from listing conjunctions -- especially since
the thread's subject calls for the latter and was left unchanged.

Charles von Hamm...
The intent was to find names with the multiple "ofs" present, not hidden
behind hyphens.

Charles von Hamm


Sorry for unintentionally intruding.

Charles Stewart


Charles von Hamm


Charles Stewart


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