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PeTA/inconsideration/education (was: Re: Please post a message in support of PeTA)
Sun, 10 Sep 2006 21:40:05 -0400 misc.education
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They sure aren't. In fact:
_________________________________________________________ Glorfindel...
. . . Not only are the philosophies of animal rights and animal welfare separated by irreconcilable differences, and not only are the practical reforms grounded in animal welfare morally at odds with those sanctioned by the philosophy of animal rights, but also the enactment of animal welfare measures actually impedes the achievement of animal rights. . . . There are fundamental and profound differences between the philosophy of animal welfare and that of animal rights. . . . Many animal rights people who disavow the philosophy of animal welfare believe they can consistently support reformist means to abolition ends. This view is mistaken, we believe, for moral, practical, and conceptual reasons. . . . welfare reforms, by their very nature, can only serve to retard the pace at which animal rights goals are achieved. . . . "A Movement's Means Create Its Ends" By Tom Regan and Gary Francione ŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻ |
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That's a dishonest suggestion as to how people should view the
situation. AW means decent lives for future domestic animals, but "ar" means the *elimination* of domestic animals. You're slimy attempt didn't work on me, and hopefully not on anyone else either. |
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Agreed.
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They exploit AW issues for the $$$.
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I haven't checked into it, but would expect the people who are
actually doing something about that are legitimate AW organizations who want to provide lives of positive value for livestock, *not!* do away with them. PeTA puts on goofy demonstrations exploiting true AW issues to carry them into the spotlight so they can promote their vegan/"ara" agenda cheaply. For example a couple of years ago they did the McUnhappy Meal trick, pretending to call attention to bad conditions in slaughterhouses and battery laying houses and whatever else. The main goal though was to promote veg*nism by trying to scare kids into it with their gross propaganda. They may or may not have done anything to significantly improve the lives of some battery hens, but the main goal was probably just trying to force some farmers out of business. We can see that problems in slaughterhouses were greatly improved years before PeTA went on the road with their show about it: _________________________________________________________ Stunning of beef cattle has greatly improved since the USDA survey done by the author in 1996. In 1996 only 30% of the plants were able to stun 95% or more of the cattle with one shot. In 1999, 90% of the plants were able to do this. Stunning was scored in 41 Federally inspected beef plants in 11 different states. The percentage of cattle that vocalize (moo or bellow) during handling has also greatly improved. Vocalization (mooing, bellowing or squealing) is an indicator of animal stress and discomfort. In many plants electric prods had been replaced with other driving aids such as flags or plastic bags. One remaining problem area in attempting to stun 390 cattle per hour with one operator. A total of 19 Federally inspected pork plants were audited in 8 different states. Seventeen out of 19 plants (89%) induced instant insensibility in 100% of the pigs. Pig handling has greatly improved and this was reflected by less squealing. This fact made it possible to develop a new scoring system for objective scoring of the amount of squealing. This was not possible in 1996 because pigs squealed continuously in most plants. Eleven plants were evaluated with the new system and eight out of 11 plants (72%) had either acceptable or excellent scores. [...] http://www.grandin.com/survey/99.audits.beef.pork.html ŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻ and I hope and expect that things are pretty well humane by now...that PeTA was greatly exaggerating whatever they were blowing about. But people are often very inconsiderate toward animals, especially toward ones they are about to kill. It's just lack of consideration. It doesn't have to be that way but it's hard to overcome, and I believe you "aras" are more likely making it worse instead of better. In high school I knew kids who worked in broiler houses that said they would kill chicks sometimes "for" the "aras". |
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Do you think life could ever be made good enough for such animals that
you "aras" would be able to actually appreciate it for them, and stop trying to prevent any more of them from living? Maybe even be glad for them that they got to experience what life they did? No? No, in fact that would work *against!* "ar". It would destroy the entire objective. |
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Well if they do stuff like that, great, but their end objective is still certainly
not going to provide anything at all for domestic animals. Hopefully some day people will take an interest in that, which again just comes down to having common consideration for "the other guy". If people would just learn to be considerate of the poor beasts then most cruelty problems would just go away by themselves. But NOOOOOOOOOOOOO! And the worst part is that you "aras" are little if any better than another person who honestly admits he simply doesn't care. On that note, we have the perfect example right here. For years I've been trying to get people just to have consideration for the fact that the animals get to live, and you "aras" have totally freaked out about it, and your special froot loop characters like Goo and Dutchy have maniacally opposed the idea for the rest of you so you don't have to expose your selfish disregard for animals publically for the world to see...at least that's why I think it goes like it does. One thing is certain: No one who's interested in promoting decent AW has ANY reason to oppose seeing the animals' lives given as much consideration as their deaths, so just by that simple fact we see that "aras" are very anti-AW. Then on top of that there's the fact that appreciation for lives of positive value for livestock would completely trash any hopes you have of getting rid of them. |
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Translation: They also exploit AW issues in order to get free public exposure
to promote their true objectives, and to encourage contributions. |
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And what's wrong with dissection?
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Ever see them promote reduced cruelty animals products? I doubt it.
They'd be more likely to bomb one of the farms or something instead. Now that we mention it, I remember a few years back a reduced cruelty farmer did come through the ngs, but wouldn't give the URLs for the farmer's sites BECAUSE of "aras". Not because of general asshole people, or AW people, but "aras"! So not only do you people insanely oppose the suggestion that we deliberately provide decent lives for livestock instead of becoming "ethically" veg*n, you people even attack it when it's going on! That goes way below just plain old inconsideration. And their attacks on medical research are even worse .....oh, so *that's* why the attack on dissection. You know some kids are afraid of it to begin with, so you use that to try scaring them all and encouraging bad feelings about it. There was good reason to include it to begin with, to DELIBERATELY PREVENT the bad feelings that you "aras" are trying to generate, so people would be more likely to take an interest in the body and get involved with the medical field. And you "aras" are trying to screw that up too. Screw the kids up while they're young, and you've pretty much screwed them for life, right? Get them to believe the dishonest suggestion that veg*nism somehow helps animals before they're old enough to figure out that's a lie: _________________________________________________________ Here you come to save the day! [...] And while Viacom and the dairy industries are counting their cash, cows are counting on you to save them. Cows make milk for their babies, not for people! [...] Please don't eat cheese or other dairy products. You'll be saving some mother cows and their babies if you make your life cheese-free! http://www.peta-online.org/kids/kidaction.html ŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻ Yip...
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and they'll still believe it when they grow up, particularly because of cognitive dissonance. A very slimy plan no doubt, but also one that's Yip...
no doubt somewhat successful. Yip...
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Well we know for a fact that they pull plenty of dishonest slimy stunts,
and fund terrorism and terrorists, etc, so let's hope they actually do SOME good once in a while to make up for at least a little bit of it. Yip...
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