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1st Season Dr. Who - The Parting of the Ways - 5 star poll - SPOILERS AHOY !
9 Jun 2006 18:43:21 -0700
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georgeavalos...
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"The Parting of the Ways"
6-9-06 Dr. Who
weberm...
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Wow! Four and a half stars, but I thought the explaination of "Bad
Wolf" was lame.
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5 stars (Frodo & Gollum)(movie)
pv+usenet...
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4.0. I wasn't really fond of the bad wolf thing (which came first - the Bad
Wolf corporation run by the daleks, or Rose making it up?), and the
solution bordered on the old deus ex problem, but they DID establish things
enough that it worked. Just make sure that never happens again, or at least
not without the same dire consequences. *
Tim Bruening...
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Why did the Daleks name their company "Bad Wolf"?
I seem to remember the Dalek Emperor saying that the Daleks had noting to do
with the Bad Wolf references.
whodunit...
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The Daleks were influencing humans, not building things themselves.
Rose's messages across time may have come to the subliminal attention
of the person who founded the Bad Wolf corporation. Or it may have been
descended from the Welsh corporation. Or maybe it came down thru history
from one of the companies owned originally by that billionaire in "Dalek"-
(gone blank on his name right now)--any number of permutations could
lraszewski...
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Actually, what they said about the Valleyard was that he was from
"somewhere between your twelth and final regeneration", which might
mean that he's not actually an incarnation of the Doctor, but some
kind of wraith along the lines of the Watcher we saw when the fourth
Doctor regenerated.
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have arisen way back in time.
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0-1 stars (Frodo & Sam)(movie)
Tony Calguire...
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5
Brilliant. On par with the classic, "important" Doctor Who stories like
"Genesis of the Daleks", "Revelation of the Daleks", "Invasion of Time",
or "Earthshock".
Agamemnon...
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Except none of these relied on pure luck for their resolution.
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So, what would you call that ending? "Rosa Ex Machina", perhaps? If
Agamemnon...
there's one thing they can improve on, it's the tendancy for the modern
Doctor to lie in a daze on the floor while somebody else saves his
ass... HE'S the one who's supposed to be saving everybody else's ass. I
Agamemnon...
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This is down to very bad scriptwriting. People no longer know how to write
stories. It now all about promoting personal political agendas in British
TV.
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liked the way this story connected back to "Genesis..." and
"Revelation..."... once again, The Doctor is holding the detonator, and
once again, he just can't bring himself to blow eveything up.
I'm not sure I like the idea that you can bust open the heart of the
TARDIS with a tow truck and a cargo hook... I always liked the
indestructable, impenetrable quality of the TARDIS. Didn't Teegan and
Nyssa try to bust open the TARDIS once? And, wasn't there an episode
where the TARDIS was busted into pieces by some alien force? I have
Agamemnon...
this image in my head of TARDIS wall panels embedded in rock walls.
Jim Vieira...
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Yes, it was a Davison story. Frontios.
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I always enjoy a good regeneration scene. I like how they get better as
SFX techniology gets better. I'll reserve judgement on David Tennant
until I see him in action, but I will say this... they really need to go
back to the old tradition of hiring distinguished older gentlemen to
play the Doctor.
erilar...
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Doctors have varied so much that it's always chancy 8-) Tom Baker was
hardly a distinguished older gentleman and he was my unchallenged
favorite 8-) I wasn't so sure about Eccleston((?) but ended up becoming
attached enough that I hated to see him go.
And I forgot to rate this one. I'd give it a 4.
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ray o'hara...
Captain Infinity...
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Fascinating analyses. I could listen to you guys all day.
**
Captain Infinity
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EGK...
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Been watching from the beginning of this new season and it got better and
Middlebrow...
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Read Neal Asher's "Cowl" for a(nother) confusing depiction of just what that
might look like. He also happens to have a pretty neat idea for explaining
the logistics of such a conflict (not that I'm pretending to really
understand it, mind you).
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better as it went along. Great episode but one big plot hole.
If the Tardis had that much power, why didn't the Doctor look in to it
himself as long as he could regenerate?
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It doesn't seem like that predictable a thing; the previous one to look
into it, in Boomtown, turned into an egg instead. If the Doctor was
really lucky, he might absorb the power of the time vortex, gain enough
power to stop the Daleks, and then safely regenerate. But he couldn't
expect that result; it might be more likely that he'd get blasted and
regenerate before he could do anything, or get blasted into bits too
small to regenerate, or revert to babyhood, or lose control of the power
and wipe out the station but not the Daleks, etc.
Tim Bruening...
Agamemnon...
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So rather than think himself out of a problem we are left with a solutions
being found by pure accident and not by him. Just how much luck does the
Doctor have.
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Ken from Chicago...
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Same reason you don't cut off skin even tho it will grow back.
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Agamemnon...
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Bigger plot hole. Why didn't the Doctor use the TARDIS to destroy the Daleks
in the time war and stop Gallifrey being destroyed in the first place.
Tim Bruening...
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That would generate a temporal paradox and bring out the infamous Time Monkeys
from Father's Day.
Agamemnon...
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No it wouldn't since the Doctor would not be changing anything. The Doctor
had a doomsday weapon in the TARDIS and the time of the time war and could
have used it to wipe the Daleks out in an instant but he didn't. Plot hole.
Tim Bruening...
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In "Dalek", the Doctor said that he had destroyed 10 million Dalek ships in a
second. This means that he DID use a doomsday weapon (probably the same one
Rose just used) during the Time War! Unfortunately, one Dalek ship escaped,
Captain Infinity...
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You can say that again. We can only hope they're gone for good now.
Tim Bruening...
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I bet that multiple Doctors teamed up during the Time War!
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BTR1701...
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What's so special about him as opposed to any other Time Lord? I mean,
why team him up with past versions of himself as opposed to just teaming
him up with a couple other Time Lords?
Jerry Brown...
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In The Five Doctors, they couldn't get hold of the fourth Doctor (for
the Real World reason that Tom Baker wouldn't do it), so they tried
offering The Master an amnesty if he would join in instead. IIRC he
actually did try and assist (at first), but none of the Doctors
believed him (e.g. Third Doctor: "YOU were sent by the Time Lords to
help ME! What arrant nonsense!").
Jerry Brown
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Zombie Elvis...
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Because the other Time Lords are too stodgy to do a lot of the things
that The Doctor does. The Doctor is something of a rebel. Think about
the Prime Directive on Star Trek -- The Doctor is the guy who always
violates the PD to save the day.
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Tony Calguire...
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Throughout the history of Doctor Who, the other Time Lords have been
portrayed as a stuffy, insular "College of Cardinals". They guard time
in some broad, general way but don't meddle. The Doctor, on the other
hand, is sort-of like a "renegade priest".
BTR1701...
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But apparently it's the Time Lords who decide to take action and make it
possible for the Doctor to work with past versions of himself. So if
they're willing to "unstuff" themselves enough to make that happen, why
not just work with him directly instead of jumping through such
ridiculous hoops?
Ian Salsbury...
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They`ve no experience of such things and are all generally cowardly types
that don`t want to get involved. Better to get in someone who knows what
he`s doing, has experience of meddling and saving the day against
insurmountable odds.
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This is the second Dalek episode I've seen and don't think I could sit
through another one.
doctor...
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Kill himself and Earth?? He should have.
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Captain Infinity
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leading to the events of the season finale.
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doctor...
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I thought TARDIS ex machina was the Plot Hole?
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Tim Bruening...
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The Doctor would run out of regenerations sooner than he would like.
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