[O--T] We are in an ice age RIGHT NOW

I did 14 meters, my home 3/4 of a mile from the pacific ocean remains high
and dry.

kirtland...

But now you have waterfront property... cool. ;-)

Billy...

That is $300,000 in equity! Does anyone know how to put the lead back into
gasoline? .* )

videonovels...

There's no need. Catalytic converters don't remove greenhouse gases.
1000 pounds/year with unleaded gasoline is still 1000 pounds/year even
if you switch to leaded gas.

bruce.thompson...

Riight! You're the genius.

videonovels...

Was that sarcasm?

If you really want to increase greenhouse gas (CO2) switch to a
gas-guzzling 5mpg Ferrari. It will produce ~6 times more CO2 than the
average 30mpg car.

And buy a cow farm. Methane is around 15 times more potent than CO2.

bruce.thompson...

Where did you study climate science?

The Oxidization Catalyst
The oxidation catalyst is the second stage of the catalytic converter. It
reduces the unburned hydrocarbons and carbon monoxide by burning (oxidizing)
them over a platinum and palladium catalyst. This catalyst aids the reaction
of the CO and hydrocarbons with the remaining oxygen in the exhaust gas. For
example:2CO + O2 => 2CO2

Well, I learned something new today. From the point-of-view of
geologists, the Earth has been in an ice age for the last 40 million
years. Geologists define "ice age" as the presence of sheets of ice,

Roedy Green...

technically we are in an "interglacial period"

10x...

You are wrong.
Technically we are nearing the end of the last glacial period...

videonovels...

No Roedy was correct. We are in an interglacial period (when the
glaciers retreat to the poles). Eventually the glaciers will advance
again & cover the Great Lakes and Europe.

BUT we are ALSO in an ice age. The ice age will not end until both
poles are free of ice, and the Antarctica continent is covered with
grass/trees/other living things (as it was 40 million years ago).

This is the 4th ice age during the last 1 billion years.
Normally, the Earth has NO ice on the poles.

:-)

The problem with "global warmers" is that the only think short-term...
they only think about human history, not planetary history. But in the
LONG-term, this planet is approximately 15 degrees below its 'normal'
temperature. 15 degrees below the time of the dinosaurs. 15 degrees
below the rise of the mammals to prominence. (Hence we are living in
an ice age, because the planet is cooler than usual.)

The glaciers are still there but receeding.
20,000 years ago there was a mile of ice over most of Canada.
Global warming now is very small compaed to the warming it took to
melt the continental ice sheet.

kirtland...

It took a warming of about 2 degrees centigrade.

Al Smith...

Mother Earth's having her period? Better watch out.

There have been several ice ages in the history of the Earth. What is
commonly called the ice age is actually the most recent (Quaternary)
which began about two million years ago, and was characterized by cold
(glacial), and relatively warm (interglacial) phases.
Four major continental glaciations are recorded in North America.
The last (Wisconsin) began about 70,000 years ago, and ended 10,000
years ago. At the peak of the last glaciation, approximately 97% of
Canada was covered by ice. Animals and plants that once lived in
glaciated regions survived in refuges in Alaska and the Yukon,
possibly on Banks Island, and in the northern United States. Probably
the thickest ice (approximately 3,300 m) occurred over Hudson Bay. We
are presently in an interglacial phase that could last for another
10,000 or more years.

10x...

take the ö out of 10x@teluös.net to email me

oriic...

The so-called Geologist you spoke to is a liar. All Geologists accept the
fact that we're in what's known as a "post Moon" period.

Which means that we're gaining atmosphere by the day and, once the Sun
explodes, will all be wiped out in time.

I'm an expert, so I know.

bookman...

Many nuclear physicists disagree and say we're in a Oortama Period, but
dentists and doctors say otherwise.

All geologists, nuclear physicists, physicians, psychiatrists and dentists
are well educated. That makes them experts on climate science and we should
consider their learned opinions will all the others.

which the Earth currently has. The present (and fourth) ice age will
not end until the Antarctic ice sheets melts.

That means that the Earth has been and WILL be warmer sometime in the
future. The formation of artic ice, followed by its later melting, is
a natural cycle. In fact, Earth has spent 70% of its time with NO
arctic ice whatsoever.

videonovels...

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If you say so. Mammals, birds, reptiles..... they ALL lived 50 million
years ago when the climate was ~20 degrees hotter, and Antarctica was
covered with trees (yes I said trees). Proof:

If they could survive hot temperatures then, they can survive hot
temperatures in the future. I guess I have more faith in the
adaptibility of life than you do. ----- Also, I recognize that even
if every human disappeared, the earth is still going to warm-up through

videonovels...

P.S. I should add:

Before the earth warms-up again (exits the current ice age), there will
be several more glacial periods. So if we stop burning fossil fuels,
the future we face is one where North America will be covered by ice
down to the Great Lakes & New York City. And the middle of the
continent will be one giant lake. (Ditto in Eurasia.)

Of course that won't happen for several more thousand years, but that's
where we are headed.

natural cycles.

johnb505...

Would you be so kind as to say where this information came from?

weberm...

NosmoKing...

Sure the earth is getting warmer. No doubt about it. And what happens to
creatures that evolved in cooler climes that don't have a built in

videonovels...

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Adapt. Mammals, birds, reptiles..... they ALL lived 50 million years
ago when the climate was ~20 degrees hotter, and Antarctica was covered
with trees (yes I said trees). Proof:

If they could survive back then, they can survive ~10 million years in
the future when the earth warms up again.

tolerance for extreme heat? The polar ice caps are built in air
conditioners for the planet. When they're gone, what do you do? The only
long term solution is to go underground as many mammals have learned to do,
living in the desert, coming out only at night when the surface cools down.
Sounds like a science fiction scenario, doesn't it? It's not.

And this relates to this newsfroup because?