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Too Much Stuff on Tonight
Tue, 7 Mar 2006 15:57:28 -0500
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holefamily1...
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Especially in the 9 and 10 o'clock slots.
I am not pleased.
David B...
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What's on in those time slots? My tv viewing on tuesday ends with NCIS.
Ian J. Ball...
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Hole believes that you can never watch "Gilmore Girls" too many times in
a row.
Barnabas...
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Yes you can never watch Gilmore Girls too many times. Especially with
Jack Bauer's Spunky Sidekick, Ian J. Ball...
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As opposed to the "fast women"?!...
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the
fast dialog.
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Rose...
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9pm House
Supernatural
Sons and Daughters
The Unit
Scrubs
Everybody Hates Chris/Girlfriends
10pm Law and Order: SVU
Boston Legal
Amazing Race
I'm only conflicted for 9pm
cloud dreamer...
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Supernatural and SVU are repeats or not on.
Rose...
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They're repeats. Unless my on-line listings are not up to date and WB
and NBC have substituted other programs.
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Major ChrisB...
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that'll be what I watch....download them all tommorrow and watch em after
work
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cloud dreamer...
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Ahhh....nothing like Canadian satellite with timeshifting and a
dual-tuner PVR.
Jim Reid...
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How about U.S. satellite with time shifting and a dual-tuner DVR?
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Patrick Joseph McNamara...
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But then the networks shift their shows so that it eliminates the
timeshifting (or at least reduces it down to two).
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Milhouse Van Houten...
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It's strange, but February was easier viewing then non-sweeps months January
and March. Maybe we should have an Olympics every month.
Rhino...
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Are you out of your friggin' mind? Two weeks of Olympics every two years is
already more than I can take!
The only good thing about this particular Olympics was that a few brave
networks actually bothered to put on new episodes of a few shows, like
Desperate Housewives. I hope that becomes a trend for future Olympics....
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Mr. Hole
The favor of your reply is requested.
"You would make a destructive god, Mr. Hole, but as a human, you remain
pathetic and ineffectual." -- Heck
terry...
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Ibsen wrote "A ->Dolls<- House" not "A Doll House". Nora accuses her
Rob Jensen...
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The English translation of the title varies wildly depending on the
translator. It's been called A Doll House, A Doll's House, The Doll
House, The Doll's House, The Dollhouse, etc.
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father and husband of making her first a doll child and then a doll
wife who raises doll children. She is perfectly happy in this role
until Tolvald, thinking only of himself, breaks his promise "to take
everything upon myself" ("the wonderful thing"). For Lorelai to be Nora
she would have to be a doll and we all know Lorelai was never a doll.
Examine the play and I think you will find the only Gilmore Girls'
character who qualifies as a doll is Emily. Show me that Nora is Emily
- the doll wife trying to raise the doll child - and I might believe
this is Ibsen. In this case it isn't the doll who leaves but the doll's
child.
Joe Curwen...
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Dolls House is an important touchstone for this show. I agree with you that
there are substantial differences, but consider: the three main female
characters are shown to be different in how they reacted to the Dolls House
syndrome. Emily chose to stay in the Dolls House, Lorelai chose to leave it, and
Rory (for now) rejected the Dolls House after having lived in it this season
(her pool house phase).
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Rob Jensen...
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You're taking my analogy to a ridiculously literalist extreme, Terry.
Gg is not a *remake* of A Doll House. Like the movie Welcome to the
Doll House, it's an exploration and application of the same themes in
similar but not identical circumstances, actively and explicitly
participating in the debate started a century ago by Ibsen and taking
it to the next level by taking as its starting point the simple
question "What Happens Next?"
Lorelai is the one that walked out -- she's the Nora (and she's also
another, non-Ibsenian kind of Nora to boot -- Nora Charles, BID.) Who
did Lorelai walk out on? Duh, Emily. Emily's the Torvald. It's not
for nothing that the farewell note that provides the title of the
flashback to Lorelai's Nora moment is called "Dear EMILY & Richard"
rather than "Dear Richard & Emily."
I'm not discounting that Emily is a *failed,* stillborn Nora to
Richard's Torvald on another level entirely but Emily is not the
show's central character -- she's the central antagonist. Lorelai is
the central character -- she's the one that corresponds to Nora in the
sense that Gg is all about What Happens Next after Lorelai's Nora
moment.
Richard is to Emily as Emily is to Lorelai as Lorelai is trying and
mostly succeeding to not to be to Rory and thereby Richard and Emily
are *both* Torvalds and Lorelai is the Anti-Torvald. In that way, Gg
is an explicit repudiation of the artificial, misogynistic male-headed
Nuclear (so-called-but-not-really "Traditional") Family construct.
-- Rob
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Mickey...
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This is getting Pythoneseque. One can paean a great work and employ
emotional themes from it without overtly borrowing from it or being
forced to replicate the plot detail for detail.
terry...
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Very true, particularly a show that puns as readily as Gilmore Girls.
Still, what harm is done as long as rerun is being served this week and
nobody takes offense. The way I see it, any show that can mention
Proust and Toole in the same sentence deserves critical analysis but
not too seriously.
Rob Jensen...
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Any TV series that draws on Proust, Toole, Ibsen, Carole King, Bette
Davis's Jezebel (Lor's Chilton dress), the Thin Man movies,
Casablanca, and Judy Blume among other influences from literature,
music and drama can't be taken too seriously. Even (or especially)
when it's a comedy.
-- Rob
Rob Jensen...
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I'm revising, for the sake of clarity "can't be taken too seriously"
in the next to last sentence above to "can't be taken seriously
enough." While technically correct, the original version has too much
idiom in it to be taken at face value..
-- Rob
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