|
1st Season Dr. Who - Father's Day - 5 star poll - SPOILERS AHOY !
28 Apr 2006 19:04:11 -0700
rec.arts.tv
previous
georgeavalos...
|
"Father's Day"
4-28-06 Doctor Who
Captain Infinity...
|
A very entertaining episode, I enjoyed it a lot. The creatures were
great even though they didn't flap those wings as much as they should
have. Good effects. Reminded me of Babylon 5's Shadows.
BTR1701...
|
Good effects? Come on... those creatures were pretty lame as far as SFX
goes these days.
himiko...
|
Lame how? I thought they worked well in terms of the plot and they
BTR1701...
|
Lame in the sense that they looked like cartoon characters painted into
a live action scene.
|
gave the cast something genuinely scary to react to. Their appearance
BTR1701...
|
It may have been bad CGI but it was still CGI, therefore the cast had
nothing to react to. During shooting, the actors were either told to
imagine the creatures or at most, some grip was holding a drawing up on
a pole so their reactions would be focused in the right direction.
Ken from Chicago...
|
That's how it's usually done on big blockbuster budgeted films.
|
himiko...
|
Yes, I know...and it worked, at least for me. I saw people reacting to
monsters. That's what I mean by effective: effective drama. I
BTR1701...
|
Well, that's fine but the cast's reaction shots would have been the same
whether the post-production effects were Industrial Light & Magic
quality or one step above cartoon quality, as they were here. It's the
quality of the effects that were inserted *after* principal photography
was complete that's the subject here.
|
considered the whole, not the parts. The whole was a lot more than the
BTR1701...
|
I agree. I like the show and watch it every week. All I took issue with
was the original statement that the creatures were "great effects". They
quite clearly weren't, even though the show itself was still
entertaining.
|
sum of of its parts and it was effective. This was due to acceptable
SFX supported by excellent writing, acting and direction....at least as
Ken from Chicago...
|
RELATIVE to old DOCTOR WHO episodes the fx was "great".
|
concerned the monsters; I found the soapy bits overdone and
distracting.
|
|
could, perhaps, have been odder, but I found the mix of mammal, insect,
and fish very effective. SFX don't have be ornate, difficult, or
expensive to be effective. They just have to be effective and play a
real role in the story. These did the job very well.
|
Captain Infinity...
|
*You're* a towel!
pv+usenet...
BTR1701...
|
I have no idea what that means. I enjoy the show. Watch it every week.
Middlebrow...
|
South Park: Towlie to Oprah after being outed as a towel. In this context,
I'm guessing it means, "yeah, you're right and so what?"
doctor...
|
Southpark like The Simpsons SUCK the BIG GOOSE EGG!!
|
|
But it sure ain't for the gee-whiz SFX because... there aren't any.
|
doctor...
**
Captain Infinity
Jaime M. de Castellvi...
|
I am afraid I cannot quite agree with you there, old boy. I should
Sean Huxter...
|
Wow. Tha'ts a telling statement. It puts all your complaints about any other
show into complete perspective, and makes others realize just how good the
shows are that you are complaining about.
Suddenly some of your posts begin to make sense.
It's like it's always "Opposite Day" where you live.
|
say he's a little bit more of a tampon, what?
doctor...
|
None of the adult Prince Charles and Camilla stuff here. Move along!
|
|
|
Ken from Chicago...
|
The show had a somewhat predictable plot, though, but that's probably
because I've read so many similar time travel stories.
The only thing that really annoyed me was the placement of Dad's body in
relation to the car, after the accident. He was laying off to the side,
not six feet from the car. I've been in almost exactly the same
accident and I can tell you: I *flew*. Dad should have been at least 10
or 20 feet from the car, and in front of it. Not to mention broken and
covered in blood, but I won't mention that because I said "not to
mention".
But all in all an entertaining hour of television. I give it six yellow
Peeps and a cup of hot chocolate to dip them in.
**
Captain Infinity
|
CMM...
|
Come to think of it, didn't the first Doctor have a 'granddaughter'?
Was she revealed to just be another companion or actually the Doctor's
granddaughter? How was she written off the show?
SoHillsGuy...
|
As far as we know, Susan was indeed the granddaughter of the Doctor
(though I still have my doubts). Susan fell in love with a boy and
stayed behind on Earth after the events of the story "The Daleks
Invasion of Earth." Susan did make a return appearance during the
reunion story "The Five Doctors," mostly interacting with the First and
Fifth Doctors.
|
|
5 stars (Joseph of Nazareth)
pv+usenet...
|
4.5. Great television regardless of genre. *
|
0-1 stars (Alessandro of Predappio)
doctor...
|
4 for me. Carfeul when you interfere with time.
|
Jaime M. de Castellvi...
|
I can now see why many of you like this writer so much (even if you
seem to be finding this particular ep slightly disappointing).
4.7
Some decimal points taken away for a degree of corn in dealing with
the time paradox and for a certain degree of predictibility in spite
of some studied misdirection. But then, some decimals added for the
fact that the ending was not quite a reset button in the classical
sense, which made the misdirection pay off.
|
Electric Frog...
|
4.75 one of the best so far
|
MDS...
|
Definitely a 5! This is my favorite episode of the first season of the
new series. My wife became emotional watching this.
Tim Bruening...
|
I second the 5!
doctor...
|
Anthony D. Langford...
|
It's a great episode. Moving, emotional and a little scary. Probably
one of the best of the series.
|
doctor...
|
Extreme generous to say that this is flawless.
Middlebrow...
|
Mary was flawless, not Joseph. :-)
Tim Bruening...
|
The episode was "Father's Day", not "Mother's Day".
|
himiko...
doctor...
|
Well, ever saw DW pre 1991?
|
Ken from Chicago...
|
Like a demon wearing a black plastic garbage bag?
|
doctor...
Alane...
|
I agree that the theme has been done quite a bit in scifi. But I
think that the lesson was for Rose. Now she understands how fragile
time can be.
|
|
Hey, he kept his marriage together and did a good job of raising a kid
he knew perfectly well wasn't his. Good enough.
|
|
|
|
Tim Bruening...
|
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
0
-
=
\
]
[
p
o
i
u
y
t
r
e
w
q
At the end of the episode, who remembers the Time Monsters and all the
other events that happened while the time line was wounded?
Neil Sullivan...
|
No-one apart from Rose and the Doctor. It's possible that they know nothing
about it either, but I suspect that as time travellers they're more
sensitive to these things and might remember all the events. I like to think
they remember it as otherwise they (and specifically Rose) wouldn't have
learnt anything.
ANIM8Rfsk...
|
One wonders what happened to the OTHER Rose and Doctor that vanished though
. .
|
|
|
doctor...
kenm47...
|
4.5. Actually teared me up. Astounding!
So, now we know what happens when the timeline is improperly impacted
by those who should not be playing with it. This suggests of course
that every ripple to the timeline caused by any Doctor was a "supposed
to be" doesn't it?
pv+usenet...
|
The thing that caused the sealing off was the paradox - Rose running by
her earlier self, stopping herself from making the second trip. For all
the time travel in the show, outright self-referential paradoxes like this
never seem to happen. *
|
Chancellor_Goth...
|
No, just that as previous Doctors have said, the Time Lords used to prevent
that sort of thing.
|
Kind of like if the Doctor didn't mess around with things that would be
the "wrong" timeline. Unless, of course, he sat on his hands and those
things did not show up; then, it was a supposed to?
Predestination for the Time Lord? No free will?
Too much thinking by me?
doctor...
Ken (Brooklyn)
Ken from Chicago...
|
It shows why he doesn't revisit a time and space--especially one he's
Ken from Chicago...
|
Hey, does that mean Prince Charles *wanted* to be douche bag?
|
substantially altered.
|
|
Tim Bruening...
|
|
