Trek not remastered enough

They go thru all the trouble of redoing the "exterior" fx shots, rendering
them so the lighting and textures look better, but they still have the same
MOTIONS where the Enterprise looks like it's SURFING thru space where it's
tilted up while moving forward (like it's doing some kind of wheelie) or
it's tilted forward looking like those muscle race cars with back end jacked
up.

SSM...

Er, no. Airplanes don't stall themselves every time they turn. Roll
angle together with coordinated use of the rudder rotates the velocity
vector. A turn is coordinated if, in the aircraft's reference frame,

videonovels...

???

Jack Bohn...

And Anim8 reminds me that the Defiant fired back in ENT:IaMD.
(Well his post was about THE Enterprise, but it reminded me of
the Defiant.)

Ken, are you just thinking of Star Wars? And, at that, just of
the small, one-man fighters that have to dogfight because they
don't have room to be bristling with weapons? Because the
openning scene of Star Wars is Princess Leia's ship firing back
at the Star Destroyer pursuing it.

Ken from Chicago...

I want fighter ships with 360-degree firing!

There's no such thing as centrifugal force. And you do not need to use

Podkayne Fries...

Feel free to explain this.

Michael Bowker...

Especially since what you've said appears to be complete nonsense.

rudder to make a turn. You can do it with a simple banking.

Having a starship roll... and then flatten to the horizontal after the
turn is done... is just a waste of precious fuel. I'm sure the space
shuttle does not bank when making it turn. It just turns while staying
perfectly flat.

Brian Thorn...

The Shuttle is in constant free fall and does not turn. Orbit changing
is higher/lower not left/right. To the extent that the Shuttle does
move left/right (i.e., to line up with the Space Station dock), it
simply sidesteps, a maneuver called translation.

videonovels2010...

And what about when the shuttle does a 180 left (or right) turn, so
that instead of traveling "forwards"...... it is now traveling
"backwards" through space? (Done just prior to landing.)

Brian Thorn...

It flips nose over tail, not yaw left or right.

videonovels2010...

(sigh) The POINT is that *if* the shuttle did a yaw left or right, it
would not bank during the manuever.

Therefore, in the model or CGI effects of Enterprise, it should NOT
bank either.

Markku Herd...

But it does. Which means that banking when turning must be more efficient

videonovels2010...

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That would be a good argument if Enterprise was a real ship which we
were observing. IT IS NOT REAL. It's just an illusion, and the
illusion-makers *made a mistake*. How do we know this? Because in the
real world, space ships like the shuttle do not bank while making
turns.

David Johnston...

That doesn't make it a mistake. It would only be a mistake if it
didn't look better for ships to bank while turning to most of the
audience.

Markku Herd...

You just countered your own argument there.

- MJH

videonovels2010...

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No I didn't. My argument is that the illusion-makers made a mistake.
They failed to follow the rules of physics (an important component in
SCIENCE fiction).

ALSO in the illusionary world of Trek, they have inertia dampeners.
They protect the crew from feeling any changes in the ship's
orientation. Inertial Dampeners make banking un-necessary.

videonovels2010...

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I suppose that might be true. If it were, then the Enterprise should
roll-over to near-60 degrees when it makes a turn..... like a racecar
banking around a turn.

So, the illusion-makers still have it wrong with their presentation.

than doing flat turns, ie. compensating inertia in the direction of the
artificial gravity force uses energy and strains the equipment less.

- MJH

Does it bank during this turn?

Nope.

Likewise, neither would a starship "bank" during its left or right
turns. C'mon people. It's not that hard to visualize maneuvers in the
vacuum of space.

the apparent centrifugal force is balanced by the component of gravity
in the opposite direction (thus to the aircraft's occupants, they don't
feel pulled to one side or the other, unlike how you do in a car going
around a flat turn).

A spaceship in a turn around some arbitrary reference point outside a
gravity well may not have any gravity to contend with, but it is still
under the influence of centripetal acceleration, which is what causes it
to turn. Bank angle would reduce but not eliminate the perception of
being pushed to one side, since there's no counter-balancing
gravitational force. Hence the inertial dampeners. :)

If you're gonna "fix" STAR TREK then "FIX" STAR TREK. Don't go half way.

videonovels...

That was not the goal. The goal was to replace the scratched-up
effects with clean effects. The CGI replaces, but does not improve
upon the original creators' work. In Other Words, they did the effects
as if Matt Jeffries (or whoever) had been able to use CGI back in 1966.

Ken from Chicago...

Well hopefully Jeffries or TPTB had cgi in the 60s would have the goodly
sense to improve the MOTION fx as well as the rendering fx.

Don't half-step on improving the fx.

STAR TREK: THE MOTION PICTURE had Big E flying in LEVEL flight.