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2nd Season Battlestar Galactica - Sacrifice - 5 star poll - SPOILERS
Fri, 10 Feb 2006 18:25:17 -0800
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George Avalos...
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"Sacrifice"
2-10-06 BSG
IsaacKuo...
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4.5--awesome episode! Absolutely perfect use of Ellen
Tigh.
Lizard...
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No, a perfect use of Ellen Tigh is to test the airlocks. :)
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Isaac Kuo
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Earl Grieda...
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I liked tonight's episode, but the bar scene was to much. A clean bar, only
slightly crowded, for an apparently affluent crowd, exists 7 months after
the biggest catastrophe that could happen to people and still have survivors
is stretching it even for me.
Atlas Bugged...
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Ditto. Just another moment of mentally noting that Moore does whatever he
Stephen Fairchild...
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Probably because Adama thinks he knows what Sharon is trying to achieve. By
saying yes she would either be lying or ratting out her fellow cylons.
Either way he could no longer trust her. If she had gone utterly over to
the human side she would have offered the information much earlier without
needing to be asked.
I think Sharon is trying to unite cylons and humans in peace and mutual
respect. I think Adama suspects as much and in order to achieve that goal
she first has to win over Adama. Step 2 would be to win over one of each
cylon model. D'Anna Biers' news reports are vital for this. Do you
remember the reaction of the cylons in the movie theatre? I think we will
see Sharon go on the charm offensive in S3. Baltar will be working to the
same agenda from the opposite direction.
Sharon needs the cylons in the fleet in order to achieve her goals. I think
Adama understands. He seemed quite pleased when he put the phone down
after speaking to her.
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wants to in support of whatever story he's telling that night. Since he
usually succeeds in making that story compelling, I implicitly agree to
forgive him his ADD.
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The main theme of the show, Is a Cylon life worth a human life, was covered,
but not as much as I would have liked. I liked the last scene where Sharon
was staring at the ceiling. I had the feeling she was happy with the way
things turned out.
Secret agent Starbuck was a bit over the top. I wonder if her bad shot was
just blind luck, or hangover related?
Anyway, I need to watch this episode again.
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5 stars (Golgotha)
0-1 stars (Tenochtitlan)
Tapio Erola...
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2.5
Kinda weak. Kidnappers' motivations were two-dimensional and somewhat
unbelievable. Still, given Fleet circumstances, psychotic breakdowns
are to be expected in disproportionate numbers.
Starbuck blew her recon mission, which is kinda unsurprising given
she's not trained for such situations. She *should* have asked one of
the marines who might have more experience but this sort of thing is
kinda to be expected from fighter jock with a large enough ego.
The Two-gun John Woo imitation was kinda overblown, though.
Friendly fire happens. Especially in complex situations rapidly
spiraling out of control.
Bonus points for realistic atmosphere sensors on spacecraft and
interesting use of dry ice. Though how the effect could be maintained
for long enough with contents of a single drink was kinda unreal...
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Electric Frog...
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2 This was obviously the budget saving episode
jphamlore...
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I don't begrudge their using footage from Bastille Day. (I think Ron
Moore was serious about this on his podcast.)
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Kweeg...
EGK...
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0. I thought it sucked. Basically to for an episode like this to work, you
have to care about someone. BG is populated by a lot of people who I
couldnt care less if they live or die. Not a likable one in the bunch.
Stephen Adams...
Brandons of mass destruction...
Aaron Bergman...
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More importantly, it helps not to completely telegraph the ending in the
first two minutes.
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cloud dreamer...
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4.3
I especially liked Adama's decision to pick Starbuck over Lee when he
found both were on Cloud 9.
Chris Basken...
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What decision was that?
ANIM8Rfsk...
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They told him Starbuck and Lee were on the ship, and he immediately said
"Get me Starbuck" -- didn't even consider calling Lee. And he didn't know
Lee was a hostage; they were just reading him the list of people on board.
I liked that too. He knows Lee's not to be trusted.
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cloud dreamer...
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Adama was told that Lee was on board Cloud Nine...then he was told
Starbuck was there and he didn't flinch. He asked them to contact
Starbuck, not Lee, in order to get the marines organized in order to
storm the lounge. Adama didn't know Lee was a hostage at that point.
So, deep down, when the poo poo hits the fan, he still calls on
Starbuck. The question remains...is it a point of confidence in Lee's
abilities or is Adama just being a dad and trying to protect his son.
I believe it's the former.
Chris Basken...
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I wonder if he's going to regret that decision. Apollo actually thought
very well tactically in this case and it was Starbuck's friendly fire
that nailed him.
ANIM8Rfsk...
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Uh - Apollo was a total screw up. What did he think he was accomplishing by
going out with a hostage and surrendering the minute anybody said boo?
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John Doe II...
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2*s out of a maximum of 3 on a five scale
George Avalos...
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So 2 is to X as 3 is to 5 where X is your score? ;)
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dm...
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2.5 stars.
IMHO, probably the worst episode so far. Just didn't buy it from
word go. The general gambit could be good: Adama is forced to
decide between protecting his cylon asset at the risk of his (and
Tigh's and Roslyn's) extended families, all held hostage. Some
Brandons of mass destruction...
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How does that compare to 12 billion people?
Robert J. Kolker...
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Seven orders of magnitude. What is your point?
Bob Kolker
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potentially strong screenplay (the Negotiator phone conversations,
Kara's reluctant admission to Adama, Billy goaded into heroics).
But I just didn't believe any of it, it was too rushed, and
eventually, didn't care much. Except for the surprise.
Oh, and the c-Sharon (c for corpsicle) bit was so obvious, and how
could Sesha not have picked up on it?
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the other Eric...
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3.0
The story wasn't that good but it had it's moments and the cast did
some good acting.
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Giovanni Wassen...
Will...
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4.5 stars - completely believable story, given the circumstances on BSG.
Some interesting characterization among some key characters, namely Billy,
Apollo, Starbuck, Roslin and Adama. Very good acting again. Very moving
ending. This series is head and shoulders above any other sci-fi series and
is one of the best shows on TV.
CatPanDaddy...
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Another amazingly wide spread of scores this week. Sometimes I think everyone's
Will...
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Nahhh, some people know quality when they see it, while others.....well,
they just watch.
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just guessing! ;-)
Chris Basken...
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I find peoples' patterns interesting. Many who liked this one didn't
like another episode, and people who liked that one didn't necessarily
like this one.
At least we're consistent.
Anyone notice Boomer's tacit "yes, I'm fracking with you" admission tonight?
Chris Basken...
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Okay, right. Not to Adama -- prior to that answer in _Sacrifice_. So
Will...
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Now that certainly adds to the debate, lol
EGK...
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In all seriousness, I'm actually curious who among the main characters
people find to be likable or people you root for? I don't have any. When
erilar...
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Well, I certainly don't have any among the main characters, either.
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the show is plot driven I can like it. When it's character driven as in
episodes like this, I don't.
Stephen Adams...
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I guess I like my heroes flawed. :-) When you think about it, it's rare
you find a hero who doesn't have a serious flaw (sometimes they are able
to hide or disguise those flaws). So in that sense, we're seeing reality.
When you think of the strain this group of people is under, it's also
no surprise that alcoholism, violence, wild mood swings, serious changes
in personality, etc, etc happen, and fairly regularly.
So, who do I like? Starbuck for one. Amazingly enough, I *hated* this
character from day one because they made it female. I'm over that feeling
now. :-) I also like Admiral Adama. And to a lesser extent, Tigh and
Baltar. The latter two "like" means - interested in watching, and with
regard to Baltar, I do not mean 'root for' in any way shape or form. :-)
Now, this is not to say that I hang on their every word or action, but I
do like watching them and do 'care' (in so far as one can about a fictional
character) about them.
Look at Tigh this week - he was pushing the same world-view as the hostage-
takers. I loved that. The RTF is not, nor is the fleet, in 'lock-step,
jah mein fuhrer' mode behind Adm. Adama and Pres. Rosalyin - and even those
two aren't in agreement. Tigh expressed a common opinion in the fleet
that has to be aired, that the Cylons ARE machines and that Sharon IS
fracking with Adama. Heck, she admitted the latter.
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I'm not comparing this version to the original series because it's like two
completely different shows. On the other hand, the original series had
characters like Starbuck who were charming. I can't say that for anyone in
the current cast. Actually, I think it's ironic that Richard Hatch's Tom
Zerek comes the closest in this version considering how he was as boring as
Jamie Bamber when he played Apollo.
The only characters I've found myself liking are the Chief and Helo but only
while he was on Caprica. They haven't done much with them in season anyway
erilar...
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The Apollo character seems destined to be boring. And I agree that
Zarek has more charm than many of the characters we're apparently
supposed to care about. Of course, the character he's playing SHOULD be
able to charm 8-)
jim phillips...
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Yep--both Adama and Roslyn were far from the centers of power,
but Zarek was the head of a resistance movement. He's probably
the most politically savvy person in the entire fleet.
Bruce Stewart...
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If you listen to what Roslyn has said right from the start, it's fairly
obvious she's been in the political trenches for long time, for instance
she was in Adar's campaign for mayor.
In addition on seeing there was a problem with the Lee/William relationship,
she started to exploit that from the start.
Bruce S.
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and their characters have gotten worse.
Night Spirit...
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In no particular order
Baltar conflicted on his loyalites and trying to discover who he
really is.
Tom Zerek He's more dangerous than Baltar and is a grand master in
politics.
Helo his sense of right and wrong leads him into trouble but he's
loyal.
The Chief another guy that allows his ideals to over come his better
judgement but in the end he comes through.
Starbuck she has a lot of emotional baggage but still magages to do
her job.
Adama A hardass warror that knows his limitations. He smart enough
know when to change his mind.
Ros She was totally out of her element in the beginning but she's
proven to be a fast learner.
Apollo he's stuck in his father shadow and can't seem to get out of
it. He's grown tired and want out but his loyality to his friends,
friends, and crewmates keep him going.
Sharon she wants to be accepted for who she is and not for what she is
her concern now is for her child and the man she loves is driving her
at the moment.
Six she is totally loyal to the cylon cause yet her love for Baltar is
almost as strong. she rationalizes her love is all part of the plan.
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erilar...
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It's a shame, too, because they at least WERE among the few characters I
found interesting. Another I find more interesting than most of the
"good" characters is the current Boomer.
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her admission in that episode was new info to Adama. The question is,
is he going to incorporate this new information into how he deals with her?
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Chris Basken...
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Night Spirit...
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4.9 Lots of character growth. I wonder what Tigh will say when
Sharon gives birth it will hard for him to say she's just a machine.
CatPanDaddy...
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"Miss Scarlett, I don't know nothing about birthing no Teletubbies!!"
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Chris Basken...
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Hard for Tigh? Not a chance. He'd space them both.
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