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1st Season Dr. Who - The End of the World - 5 star poll - SPOILERS AHOY !
17 Mar 2006 18:16:21 -0800
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georgeavalos...
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Ronnie Clark...
Ronnie Clark...
Ronnie Clark...
doctor...
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Opps, what have we created :-)
J. A. Mc....
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doctor...
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I think only one call did the trick IIRC.
Jette Goldie...
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Except that *doesn't* go for the Doctor's personal timeline.
Tim Bruening...
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I was asking whether, in the personal timeline of the Dalek species, the Daleks
had time travel shortly after they met the Doctor for the first time in the
Daleks' personal timeline in "Genesis of the Daleks". I wasn't asking about the
Doctor's personal timeline.
doctor...
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I know. Just have fun sorting out the MAtirx.
I wonder if the TARDIS kept a copy of the Matrix.
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Neil Sullivan...
Neil Sullivan...
Neil Sullivan...
Neil Sullivan...
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It's not clear from anything we've seen on TV, but there's nothing to
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the
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Ryan P....
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All indications so far point to a massive all-out war between the Time
Lords and the Daleks. The fall out from that war somehow destroyed the
Time Lords and the Daleks. It also apparantly had an effect on many of
the advanced races in the universe and left few planets "untouched" so
that simple planets like Earth become magnets for aliens seeking refuge
or profit.
doctor...
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Slitheens know nothing of a Time War.
Ryan P....
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That's like saying the guy down the street doesn't know anything about
temporal mechanics. Slitheen was the name of the family of baby-headed
aliens, not their race.
doctor...
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I doubt their race nor the Sycorax know anything about Time Lords.
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Tim Bruening...
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In the March 24 episode, the war is called a "Time War", indicating that the
Time Lords and Daleks may have erased each other from the timeline!
Ryan P....
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That is the basic premise we're supposed to work on... and some how
the Doctor escaped whatever fate befell the rest of the Time Lords.
doctor...
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Still some of the enemies did escape.
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pv+usenet...
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And not only that, people still know what the time lords were. So they
can't have been completely erased - just destroyed in a way that they were
unable to reverse. *
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doctor...
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Time WAR??? Never heard of that.
Tim Bruening...
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nemo...
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there'd
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Tim Bruening...
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Reagan: Futuristic weapon for President.
nemo...
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The called im Ronald Ray Gun didn't they, with iz Star Wars rubbish!
Ray Goon more like!
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nemo...
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Montgomery, winner of El Alamein.
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nemo...
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doctor...
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Who knows about the origin of Churchill.
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suggest the Daleks achieved time travel shortly after Genesis. Neither of
the first two dalek stories we saw, The Daleks and The Dalek Invasion of
Earth, gave any hint of them having time travel, and there are any number of
later Dalek stories which do not show them with time travel and could
potentially take place before they discovered it.
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doctor...
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I think an early DWM does have that. I wish DWM would get a WebSite.
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Tim Bruening...
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What trick? Was Rose limited to only one inter temporal call?
doctor...
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That is exactly what I am implying so far.
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Andrew Venor...
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She might have been ticked off at him for being a bit of a wuss when she
and the Doctor rescued him from the plastic people in the previous
episode.
Or time constraints of the episode prevented us from watching her call
everybody she knows from the future.
doctor...
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IF Cassandra is back for New Earth, I hope they add some character to her.
doctor...
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nemo...
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Or the way several BBC presenters would say: "Oops. What have we crated?"
Praps they used to work in a packing department.
"Eat your spaghetti or you will be ex-terr-min-ated!!!!" - GARLEK!
Ronnie Clark...
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DALEK BREAD?!?!?!?!
SLITHEEEEEEEEEEEEN CAKE?!
Tim Bruening...
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Do Dalek Catholics break bread?
nemo...
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whodunit...
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'She' wasn't a woman. Did you catch the comment, "When I was a little boy"?
Mr. Limpet...
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That was clever. Perhaps it had changed its gender (at least once)?
doctor...
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Not your usual Red Dwarf.
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Jette Goldie...
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Ah, but the way I took it was "he" had been a little boy, but
"she" was ..........female gendered.... now.
Happens even now, you know.
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whodunit...
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A trampoline can't think of *everything*, I suppose! ;-)
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me...
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but a cosmos without the Master scarcely warrants thinking about...
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doctor...
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What do Daleks eat as nourishment?
nemo...
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People probably.
doctor...
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Doubtful. I must revisit Genesis of the Daleks.
Ewan Villiers...
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Curry!
(Thank you Spike Milligan)
nemo...
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Don't mention it! . . . . Too late!!
Anyway - Goons you want? OK. Here's a Pseudo-Spike Sample with a bit of
Stanley Unwin thrown in. (It fell off.)
Blungebottule went sunbathing on the beach one day and the silly twit's
mid-leg joint knobs got so badly burned they went bright red and swolymost
the neeclappers in the hot sunlight all sreebly down through the atmosphold
and the ultra-violent.
Bottule: Excuse me my gyud mayne - not so much of the 'silly twit' if you
don't mind!!
doctor...
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Funniest line ofthe day. QUOTEFILE!!
J. A. Mc....
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Neddie: And why not, prey? At only 2ft 6" that's exactly what you are! - Not
so much of a silly twit!
If fact the silly twit's mid-leg joints looked so bad a crowd gathered and
someone called an ambulance.
Neddie: (very very loud) "AN AMBULANCE!!" (aside) There. I called "an
ambulance" folks! (pauses for laugh - not a sausage) (embarrassed) Huhumph.
(walks off).
When the Paramedics arrived and asked what was wrong, Bottule said, "It eez
not that serious reallee. It's just that there's some unease at my summer
knees!!
Tarraaaaaaaaaah!
Eccles: Tarraaaaaaaaaah King?? Ooooooh! Wohohohohohohohohohohoho . . . . !
Neddie: Stop it! You'll go blind, I tell you!
Sir F. A. Rien...
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Whle there ... also take to heart the EXODUS ...
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Tizcir: Hineh 'Alom Shem!
or because I like cats - Al Moggie!
doctor...
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Come up with what is best for all.
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PSsssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss . . .
Eccles: Ere! Your hard drive's got a puncture!
GET OUT!
Anyway - you might like to visit here:
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pv+usenet...
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This is covered in a bit more detail in an upcoming episode. Paradoxes were
never much of an issue in the old show, but apparently without the powers
of the Time Lords to police things, Bad Stuff happens when you weaken the
continuum by causing one. *
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nemo...
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Neddie:
What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What?
What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What?
What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What?
What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What?!
We can get LIMES in good old Blighty nowadays I'll have you know - even at
dear old inSainsbury's - thanks to all of Singhis Thing's relations being
over here! Anyway - I haven't got time to try to curry powder with you! - or
bandy legs! I'm off!
Grittpype in gas-mask: Yes he was off, ladies and gentlepong - as fast as
his bandy little legs could carry his huge, spherical 97 stone form!
Grams: Sound of very heavy footprints of T-Rex walking away like in those
silly films . . .
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Sir F. A. Rien...
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Favor Curry
Now shut up and eat!
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Sir F. A. Rien...
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Sweetie pies baked by little girls named Timmette.
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J. A. Mc....
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3-17-06 DrW
pv+usenet...
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3.5. I'm taking a half-point off for the ridiculous fan sequence.
Otherwise, a huge amount of fun, and a perfect example of what the tone of
a Doctor Who episode should be. *
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Tony Calguire...
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I'm disappointed to see that the corniness that pretty-much ruined the
final seasons of the first incarnation has survived the trip through
time. Stretchy-faced divorcees, cosmic blue plumbers and "have a nice
day" parking tickets would have been right at home in the Paradise
Towers. Ick.
I'm going to trust everyone who says that it does get better. I
certainly hope it does. The whole point of reviving the franchise was
to do it right. Digging up JNT's corpse and reviving all of the icky,
Barry Margolin...
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Was it? I haven't read any of the press on the revival, so I wasn't
expecting a "reimagining" like the new Battlestar Gallactica. I'm
looking for something like what I remember from when I watched it two
decades ago, with perhaps better effects due to modern technology. But
rgorman...
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That's pretty much what you'll get.
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if it's not corny, it's not "Doctor Who" -- it was never intended to be
nemo...
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You had your own personal one, did you? (Englinche is a dapht langwidjje
sometimes!)
And ain't a paraphrase a thing towed behind a shattlebip to bring mines to
the surface?
doctor...
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You are sunk.
nemo...
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I'm sittin here on the 5th floor, an estimated 150 ft above sea level. The
polar ice caps haven't melted that much - yet!
Dubbaya the Shrub: Haverrrrrrrrrn't they? We'll soon see abaaaht that!
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nemo...
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And the rest.
nemo...
Strategy: Geological racehorse.
doctor...
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Thank you.
nemo...
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Don't mention it.
Too late!
doctor...
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nemo...
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Wikipedia does.
nemo...
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You do the rest.
doctor...
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nemo...
Richard Hudson...
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I don't have the episode. What happens?
nfway...
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The Tardis gets sucked apart by the Tractators' command of gravity and
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its component sections are distributed embedded partly in the
surrounding rock. As long as the Tardis' walls are unconnected from each
other, there is no distinction between the Tardis and its surrounding
dimension(s) (ie. the Tardis is no longer dimensionally transcendental
and distinct) which is "significant".
doctor...
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Odd. I don't remember that story.
Not even after slogging through this.
I think 'The Eyes of Heisenberg' by Frank Herbert shows what we *don't*
want, but with Genentic Engineering developing the way it is, it looks like
we might well be heading that way.
Tim Bruening...
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Do the eyes of Heisenberg see into alternate quantum universes?
nemo...
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There's talk of that sort of thing regarding where the intrusions into the
genetic "cutting" might be coming from.
Best thing to do is get it and read it. It's cheap enough.
It's an astonishing story. It reflects the worst excesses of the class
system and gives away a lot of the psychological trickery it uses to keep us
hoi poloi nice and docile and satisfied as well.
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Interesting in and out routine.
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doctor...
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Get to know new aliens called Tractators. Still look up
http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho for more details.
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doctor...
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Benn was a nutty Revolutionary.
nemo...
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I thought that was Jimmy Carter!
doctor...
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And look what happened next, Ronald Reagan.
Tim Bruening...
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I've seen an ad urging that Carter be censored for negotiating with
North Korea in the 1990s and thus preventing the U.S. from taking
decisive action to prevent it from going nuclear.
doctor...
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What about Carter and Castro?
Tim Bruening...
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What about them? Shall we censor Castro too?
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Billy No Mates...
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Also a "Community" charge (not to mention many other taxes) VAT pays for all
our French friends to have farms with 2 cows 1 chicken and a 2 CV.
Community charge = Sales (State) tax in USA
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Jette Goldie...
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Huh?
No "Community charge" = "property tax" to the USA.
Sir F. A. Rien...
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What does it matter - governments will alwasy take at least a third of your
$$££YY
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doctor...
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THere are a few characters.
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Andrew...
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Not really. VAT is closer to the sales tax in that it applied to
Jette Goldie...
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A very old car. The Citroen 2 CV - small, economical, funny shape -
don't think it's been in production for over a decade.
BTW, "VAT" is the UK equivilent of US "sales tax". Except that
unlike the USA, when you see a price on an item, that's the price
you pay, because prices *include* the VAT. I'm always annoyed
in the US when I look at a price, then realise I have to add 5 to
15% to that, to cover whatever "sales tax" is in that state, county
or town. (sometimes there's two lots of sales tax). When you're
used to a single consistent tax, applied across a whole country
and already factored into the price on the ticket, it can be a bit
confusing. (and darned annoying if you suddenly find that *with*
the tax you can't quite afford it anymore)
Mark Nobles...
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The purpose of charging tax separately is to keep you aware of how much
tax you are paying, instead of hiding it in the marked price. This is
so you can easily see how much government you are buying and how little
you get in return.
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purchases. The Community Charge is based on property values.
Andrew...
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Sorry - self correction. The "Community Charge" no longer exists. That
was the official name of the Poll Tax. The property tax I'm referring
to is the Council Tax.
Sir F. A. Rien...
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About time they started charging to treat the crazies!
{Though most councilors are useless anyway ... )
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doctor...
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VAT == Value Added Tax. In essence a Sales Tax.
me...
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and that the BBC also recently re-released the older audio dramas, was
just coincidence.
I am a bit surprised that they don't write about The Time Lords and The
Vampires. Buffy, Hex, Underworld, Bladem etc. seem to have been so
popular recently. Billie would make an interesting, unintentional,
Blond-UK-Buffy-Hex-DW tie-in.
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a serious SF show, and shouldn't be one now.
doctor...
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DW is just pickin up from where it left off.
BSG is a total redo!
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silly things he brought to the franchise is NOT the way to do it.
Anthony D. Langford...
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I dunno, I liked some of the touches that these early episodes have,
though what really makes it work for me are the characters and some
great acting. And well, it wouldn't be Dr. Who if it weren't a little
cheesy and corny, would it? That has always been a element of the
show. However, the show does get much, much better as it goes along,
especially once Captain Jack is on board.
doctor...
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doctor...
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5 stars (never)
0-1 stars (now)
doctor...
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Please do not forget us in r.a.dw and uk.media.tv.sf.drwho
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Chris Schumacher...
Electric Frog...
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3.75 Enjoyed the 1st more than the 2nd
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Hobart Floyt...
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4 stars.
After the "re-imagined" _Battlestar Galactica_ and
the commercials advertising _Doctor Who_ that the Sci-Fi
Channel aired, I was hesitant to watch _Doctor Who_.
I didn't catch the first airing, and opted out of the first
episode of the Sunday airing to watch _Shanghai Noon_,
but afterwards tuned in to this episode.
10 minutes into the show, I experienced a sense
of recognition. Weird theremin music theme.
Tardis that makes the right sounds. Doctor whose
character was within the parameters of past Doctors.
Cute sidekick companion. A sense of humour.
And the "gee, wow, sense of wonder" tone.
All the main ingredients that make _Doctor Who_
_Doctor Who_.
Except cheap special effects but I'll overlook that.
doctor...
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So welcome back DW it is.
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Michael Bowker...
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3
Vintage Dr. Who with modernish sfx.
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MDS...
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4, assuming that 5 is perfect
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cloud dreamer...
Alane...
doctor...
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3.8. Didn't like this as much as the first one. Poor tree lady, though!
I did wonder if the Doctor took Rose to the end of her world so that
she might have some empathy of what it was like for him to be
the last one when he world came to an end.
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Lizard...
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3.75
Many points for the imaginative aliens, the high concept ideas, and
the genuine sense of loss and futility...but it takes away point for
the space station clearly build by the Imperial Engineering
Corps:"Let's have some big, deep, pits with no railings....oh, and
we'll hide the controls behind giant whirring fans! Also, despite the
fact they can't be removed safely, let's make the sun shields go up
wdstarr...
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Why shouldn't they go up and down? The station isn't going to
spend its entire existence doing nothing but hovering around near
Very Bright Things, is it?
Lizard...
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I was under the impression that it was.
IAE, it's proof that, in 5 billion years, there are no more lawyers.
If there were, the shields would have been bolted on so that no one,
Atlas Bugged...
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That's good political sciencing - definitely better than what we got now.
But still inferior to what we now know (there's no "perfect" system that
I've ever heard of.)
Rejiggering the voting process for more fairness still doesn't trump
individual rights. Putting them as primaries in the political process gets
the best result for everyone.
One way of thinking of this is to imagine you are dumping "majority rule" in
favor of "unanimous" rule. By having much reduced government (to its proper
functions,) you allow people to be more free and choose their actions.
If something must be regulated (for example, assault,) then too bad for the
minority who wants to assault (reason: there is a basic right to be free
from assault.)
However, most things are amenable to "unanimity," IOW, each making their own
choice, 100% unanimity. Example: Short of yelling "fire" in a theater,
everyone says whatever they want to say. So we have unanimity. Even 99%
doesn't tell the remaining 1% what they can say.
Tim Bruening...
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Or short of inciting riots?
doctor...
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The Great USA strike of MAy 1st.
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Instead, there are literally thousands, maybe millions, of laws regulating
everything from motorcycle helmets to bumper materials, all with one group
demanding the smaller group do this or that. Repeal most of them. That's
the ticket.
And if anyone disagrees, repeal the law that says "ignorance of the law is
no excuse," because we already live in a world where even the lawyers cannot
possibly know more than a fraction of the laws.
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no matter how dim (heh) could 'accidently' raise them. Then if you go
to some other tourist spot, they'd be unbolted.
A future where there are no lawyers is a bit utopian, though, even for
DW.
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and down!"
Also: When you can travel in time, what does it mean to be "the last
of your kind"? The Doctor can visit Gallifrey whenever he wants, and
there can/should be plenty of other Gallifreans hopping about through
time and space, from before whatever-it-was which wiped out the rest
of the Time Lords.
Jack Bohn...
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Going back to Gallifrey after (he's had a hand in?) its
destruction probably contravenes the Laws of Time. Even if they
are only judicial rather than physical Laws, you don't want to
break them on the most officious planet in the Universe.
*Something* must have kept the Doctor and the Master in
synchronization every time they met.
The Doctor can bounce all through the history of Earth, Skarro,
Telos, or Metebelis 3, but not that of Gallifrey.
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doctor...
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There is Frontios, The Ark that contradict EofW!
me...
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yes, they must bring back the Tractators and CyberMats (more gaseous
aliens; can't have too many gassy aliens).
Tim Bruening...
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Gassy aliens? What a stink!
doctor...
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They are not that gassy. Just the Slitheen family.
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Mark Nobles...
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This is what makes time war so devastating. When you wipe out an enemy
planet, you wipe it out completely. It never existed. Sure, that leaves
an enormous paradox that ripples through every planet that anything
from that planet ever touched, but that's part of the devastation. This
is why there are no other Gallifreyans, and there never were. The
Doctor is not only the last of his kind, he's the only one there ever
was.
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lionelhutz6...
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3 stars - Not as interesting as the opener.
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Gio...
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3.25
I hate the goofiness of this show, but it's all part of what defines
doctor who.
doctor...
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And it is what makes Doctor Who unique.
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