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It's unanimous: FULL season of new sci fi on the Big 3
Fri, 13 Oct 2006 05:21:36 -0500
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Ken from Chicago...
Bill Snyder...
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Uh huh. And if you can't prove FTL travel is possible, what does that
make all those stories that feature it?
Obveeus...
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Anything with FTL is fantasy. Which, BTW, proves that most fantasy is
correcty categorized as 'science fiction'...else 'science fiction' would
involve almost nothing.
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videonovels...
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Theoretical Science. Several scientists like Hawking have postulated
that folding space (in essence, taking a short cut) would make FTL
travel possible..... and they think that explains how FTL particles
Gene Ward Smith...
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Tha's not a proof it is possible, it is an argument it might be. If you
can't prove
FTL exists, it's probably like Spontaneous Generation of Flies from
Meat..... a bogus
theory. And therefore does not belong in a Science-based story.
By the way, do you have a cite for Hawking re the old folding space
gag? Heinlein would
be proud!
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like tachyons can exist. If a ship could tap into that tachyon-like
ability, we'd have ships like Star Trek or wormholes like Stargate.
So the fact that science says its possible, makes that fiction
based-upon science/reality. Science Fiction. Realistic.
Gene Ward Smith...
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Um, d00d--Science does *not* say it is possible.
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But if the fiction said something like, "I prayed to Zeus, and he cast
our ship to Alpha Centauri with his mighty breath," then you do not
have science. You've got Fantasy Fiction, aka nonreality, aka
mythology.
Gene Ward Smith...
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Where, exactly, does Science say super-powerful beings are impossible?
If all you need for something to be Science Fiction is that Science
can't rule
it out, then for your claim above to make sense you need to show that
Arisians are impossible. But if Arisians *are* possible in the sense we
can't prove they can't
exist, then your scenario is also possible--because Mentor could decide
to act.
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But if you prefer, you could limit yourself to just reading Forever War
(a book where FTL is not possible). Whatever floats your boat.
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Mike Schilling...
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Because you challenged a professional SF writer about a fact that's basic to
his livelihood. A polite "Are you sure?" might have been barely acceptable,
but you went way beyond that.
Lawrence Watt-Evans...
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Actually, I didn't think the question was all that inappropriate; I
mean, there are plenty of writers who have misconceptions about the
business they're in.
Sea Wasp...
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Oh, THAT question that he asked was reasonable. I seem to recall I
asked you precisely the same question, back when. I didn't realize how
Vastly Different the markets were; it was my impression previously
that Fantasy and SF sold about the same.
His other ravings haven't been so reasonable.
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But there's been other evidence he's not the brightest bulb on the
string.
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Michael Bowker...
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Well said.
Lawrence Watt-Evans...
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Mike's usually pretty coherent.
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Mike Schilling...
Sea Wasp...
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No. No, you do not, as your continuing babbling has proven.
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Sea Wasp...
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I could, but that would not accurately represent the subgenre for me.
So you are wrong. Again.
Ian Galbraith...
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Well it is strongly implied in some of the books that Dragaera is an
alien planet in the future and the easterners were originally colonists
from Earth. A bit like the Coldfire trilogy from CS Friedman.
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Once more, realize that your judgments are no more authoritative than
the hundred others that came before you.
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Anim8rFSK...
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It's Troy we reject for being simple.
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A mere five months after sci fi shows have been cancelled on all 3 of the
Big 3 networks, we have a full season of sci fi scheduled for all of the Big
3 broadcast tv networks.
Anthony Cerrato...
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"hiatus" LOST will be taking
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Anthony Cerrato...
Anthony Cerrato...
Lord Vader III...
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I'll agree that Heroes is sci-fi but I've never considered Lost or
Jericho to be sci-fi.
Barry Margolin...
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I agree about Jericho. It's just a suspense drama. There's more
references to scientific principles in a typical CSI episode than in the
whole season of Jericho.
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cloud dreamer...
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What? Wisps of smoke that grab you by the ankles and try to pull you
Joe Bednorz...
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I forgot Scientology. They're all examples of movements that are
Ken from Chicago...
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"Science" is not science?
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afraid of not being taken seriously (or who take themselves too
seriously) so they stick "Science" in their name, as if that conferred
legitimacy.
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Ken from Chicago...
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Computer Science and Social Science are not sciences?
Joe Bednorz...
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Computer Science is really Computer Engineering. It has a basis in
Mathematics, but that doesn't make it a science. Just as Chemical
Engineering has a basis in Chemistry, but that doesn't make it a science
either.
Aaron Denney...
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Programming is not a science, because it's a grasping towards one aspect
of computer engineering. Computer science is not a science, because
it's math. Much of what's done by those taking CS classes is not CS...
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Social Sciences are just as much science as the English or History
departments at a university.
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into a pit isn't sci-fi???
Lord Vader III...
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Ok, I'll give you that. Lost is borderline sci-fi. Still, I can't
find anything sci-fi about Jericho.
James Gassaway...
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Strange. Post Armageddon settings are one of the traditional Sci-Fi tropes.
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jayembee...
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Post-holocaust stories have been a staple of the genre for as long
as the genre has existed. JERICHO is no less SF than ON THE BEACH
or PANIC IN THE YEAR ZERO.
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wdstarr...
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Ever since, um, the late 1950s?, post-apocalyptic fiction has had
at least honorable status at the science fiction table, I think.
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cloud dreamer...
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I look at science fiction under a slightly broader label - speculative
fiction. That would include sci-fi, fantasy and other gray areas of the
genre. So while it's easy to just say sci-fi - I believe certainly that
Jericho belongs under the Spec-fi label.
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videonovels...
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Never watched Lost so can't comment. Jericho seems to stick to
scientific reality (mostly), so I'd call it science fiction. It's akin
to Asimov's "Atomic Pile goes boom" scenarios.
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videonovels...
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Not quite true. Circa 1995-96:
FOX had X-Files/space above and beyond/sliders.
NBC had seaquest/earth 2.
ABC had the X-Zone (or whatever it was called..an xfiles clone).
UPN had Star Trek.
various stations - Babylon 5, Hercules, Xena
After the huge success of Star Trek TNG (a top 20 show), the mid-90s
experienced a boom in sci-fi & fantasy shows. No need to go all they
way back to the late-70s.
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Pete B...
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Michael Bowker...
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Jericho is standard post-apocalypse scifi story. Heroes is standard
superhero scifi. They're both old fashioned scifi. Lost, who can tell,
Hobart Floyt...
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Wow, either someone listened to me or there are other
people out there who have a similar feeling. I recently
confessed that I had quit reading 'science fiction' because
the majority of it seemed to have become gloomy and
'distopian'. I don't mind it in occasional doses, but as
a steady diet, I'd rather skip it. (This all came up because
I was trying to explain why I despise the "re-imagined"
_Battlestar Galactica_.)
What I really like is what was once described as
"Gee, wow, sense of wonder" science fiction or pure
unapologetic "fun" space opera. Since I can find
very little space opera in current written science fiction
(except for series based on _Star Wars_, etc.), I have
been buying 30 or 40 year old paperbacks.
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it's a desert; it's a floor wax, no silly it's both. But it's genre for
sure.
Anthony Cerrato...
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What is this DAYBREAK of which you speak--haven't heard
Ken from Chicago...
Ken from Chicago...
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One can't study social groups using scientific methods?
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anything on it at all until tonite when there was a very
quick commercial mentioning coming programs...no info given
tho.
jayembee...
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Taye Diggs stars as a man who keeps reliving the same day over.
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...tonyC
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David Johnston...
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Why not? Lost is chock full of pseudoscience, and post-holocaust is a
venerable science fiction sub-genre.
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