2nd Season Battlestar Galactica - Lay Down Your Burdens 2 - 5 star poll

"Lay Down Your Burdens 2"
3-10-06 BSG

pv+usenet...

3.0. That was weird, I don't know what else to say about it. Essentially,
the show has to relaunch from scratch next season. *

5 stars (The Moon)

holefamily1...

FIVE BIG GIANT STARS!!! I'd go higher if I could, simply the best of the
best, my chin's still on the floor!!!

October seems so far away. :~(

..
Mr. Hole

The favor of your reply is requested.

"You would make a destructive god, Mr. Hole, but as a human, you remain
pathetic and ineffectual." -- Heck

0-1 stars (Jupiter)

cloud dreamer...

5.0

A little extra to make up for the people who can't see past the pretty
space ships.

Kujo...

3.5 stars.

Not as good as good last season's finale, or season one's imho. No edge
of the seat stuff. I didn't like them jumping a year. It just seemed
to fast. I have suspicions that Baltar could be dreaming as well. The

Shawn Wilson...

RM probably doesn't realize that basic antibiotics can be made with limited
resources. Very few people do.

For general reference the books 1632 (Eric Flint) and 1633 (David Webber and
Eric Flint) have some discussion of what can be made by a small community of
our contemporaries (as in circa the year 2000) in an environment without the
usual infrastructure (in this case central Germany in the above mentioned
years). Antibiotics are a plot point in the later one. Terrific books, but
1634: The Galileo Affair sucked.

one year scenes seemed kind of surreal, dream like to me. Maybe it was
Commander Adama's ridiculous moustache, & Apollo's bad hair. We'll see.
Too bad we have to wait until October.

Jaime M. de Castellvi...

5.0

I'll be in my bunk...

Arthur Lipscomb...

SNIP

Arthur Lipscomb...

I wondered about a possible return to Caprica myself. But under the
circumstances neither Adama nor Roslin probably believed Cavell and
certainly wouldn't have told the rest of the fleet about his claims.

Zombie Elvis...

Pretty sprawling episode. Not as good as the season one finale but an
even bigger cliffhanger.

erilar...

I didn't even see it as a cliffhanger; just a sudden end to the show.
Finis.

Obveeus...

Naw...the end of the show would have occurred if we had to watch that entire
year unfold in a season worth of episodes about our cast quitting their jobs
to go make babies and dig around in the dirt. As it is, all that boring
stuff got swept over in a moment and we have 7 months to anticipate the time
when they will begin to learn the error of their ways...and get back into
'running' through space.

Michael Johnson...

It was sheer brilliance. Seriously. The jump a year ahead is a
critical story element to a plan of that type. You have to give time
for everyone to settle down, start a life, and knock their women up so
they're in no condition to rebel against you when you come back and
say hi.

Night Spirit...

Beth...

And/or a vice president.

Obveeus...

That quorum process validated her as the leader, though.

cloud dreamer...

The quorum. Not the people. Hardly an "election".

Obveeus...

Uh...kinda like in the USA where 'the people' do not vote for President (or
at least their votes aren't used to determine the winner). Think of the
quorum like the electoral college. Each member represented 1 colony's vote.

Andrew Venor...

The election was for the Quorum of Twelve. The Vice President was
selected by the Quorum.

5.0! I do have some comments, well really a couple of questions but I

erilar...

Unfortunately they don't have Flint or Weber writing for BG 8-) I'm
hoping for more in the Ring of Fire series ere long 8-)

Night Spirit...

See also Island in the Sea of Time who's author I can't remember.

Jason Maxwell...

S.M. Stirling. I thought the first book (Island in the Sea of Time) was
very good, but the next 2 parts of the trilogy weren't as well done, still
entertaining though.

erilar...

I'm also blanking at the moment 8-\ That would make an interesting
series, wouldn't it?

Robert J. Kolker...

S. M. Stirling. Best known for his Domination of Draka series. Next to
the Draka, the Cylons are warm and cuddly.

Bob Kolker

Robert J. Kolker...

S. M. Stirling, best known for his series of books on The Domination of
Draka. Compared to the Draka, the Cylons are warm and cuddly.

Bob Kolker

Night Spirit...

Speaking of Stirling, does he still post in soc.history.what-if?

Robert J. Kolker...

I haven't seen any posts from JOAT for a while.

Bob Kolker

will save them for a new thread. Hawatha was right a lot of people
were not ready for this episodes. On the spoiler thing I counted only
about 4 that were correct.

Chris Basken...

5 stars. And that includes part 1.

fruitbat...

I'm pretty much speechless right now... Can I defer my vote?

John Doe II...

That made no sense at all.

still a full 3 stars

kenm47...

2.0

There is no plan. There never was a plan, and that baby did not look
just over one year old.

Zombie Elvis...

Then it looks like the grand-daddy bull moose of lucky coincidences.
The Cylons have now captured the vast majority of the surviving humans

ANIM8Rfsk...

yeah. I was wondering how come the kid wasn't aging.

I did like Starbuck's longer hair.

ANIM8Rfsk...

She almost looked like a girl.

Ken (Brooklyn)

Jaime M. de Castellvi...

The plan was to let her grow her hair in season three, you fool!

Clell Harmon...

Was that in the Podcast?

ANIM8Rfsk...

It's more generic; the podcast just says 'the audience is shocked to find
out she's a girl'

Hobart Floyt...

I'll stick to 2.5 stars for both parts for 2.5 overall.

Dean Stockwell didn't get enough lines, but what he
did get was the best thing about the episode.
("Take me to your leader" almost ranks up there
with "Toys, Adama?")

I notice that after Gaius was elected he got the evil-
lit-from-below scene. (The trying to throw
the election thing was dumb. I was waiting for the
hanging chads business...)

I felt the end of season two matched the beginning of
season two; the creators got bored with the current
story line, slapped some sort of resolution together,
and then jumped to something else.

The colonists on New Caprica somehow managed
to find a mall. After two seasons of grey and muted
tones in their uniforms and clothes suddenly it was
BRIGHT sweatshirts and BRIGHT caps in ORANGE
and LIME GREEN and TURQUOISE. Anyway, it
contributed to the bizarro dream-like atmosphere.
(And, yes, when I saw Admiral Adama's moustache,
I had an immediate mental flashback to the Galactica
1980.)

I also got the sneaking suspicion that the Cylons who
showed up (the 6 and the 8 model) were the underground
resistors last seen in the episode "Downloaded".

Do we get the "re-imagined" _Hogan's Heroes_ next season?

ANIM8Rfsk...

Yeah, next season is either Dallas - Bobby in the shower, or Hogan's Heros
innnnnnn Spaaaaaaaacccccceeeeeeeee

Michael Johnson...

Technically.. if we want to play the Bobby in the shower game the
entire next season is a blank check for anything. If it doesn't go the
way they like Baltar wakes up at the END of next season to realize it
was all a dream.

Alex Regh...

Hmmm ... you mean smart guys in orange suits and with turbans outwitting
soldiers carrying around dog leashes who keep pointing at dicks?

That could be fun indeed.

Michael Johnson...

Or Red Dawn...

Fred Ellis...

I give it 5 Stars. I enjoyed this episode very much.

Fred Ellis

Chris Schumacher...

5, for the last 23 minutes. It was a bit of a mixed bag before that, but I
think that rating stands.

I think it's morphing from a remake of BSG into a remake of Galactica:1980.

Clark Zahn...

5.0

I have to give it a 5 even though I'm not sure I like where the story is
headed. What a bunch of twists!

Stephen Adams...

Hmm. I am tempted to go wtih 'Incomplete' since this could go SO many
ways in October.

What happened was pretty much what I expected. It's more or less a
general reprise of the 'Carilon' story from TOS, so the Cylon's showing
up after most people were on the planet was no surprise. The fleet
jumping away was no real surprise, either.

So, I'm going with a 4.1 because, to me, it was predictable.

With the hype about 'going in a new direction' or 'risky chances'

Night Spirit...

Did anyone else notice the Wine bottle shaking on the table when Gaita
went to tell Baltar that the Cylons were there. There is earthquake
activity in the area mudbrick wouldn't last very long. You would also

Obveeus...

I didn't see the table shaking as an indication of earthquakes...just an
indication of ships flying low overhead.

have to build molds and Kilns for the bricks. The most pressing thing
would be crops and fresh water.

Obveeus...

They have food supplies aboard the ships. At least enough that they are not
in danger of starving. Crops are important, but not as immediately
important as shelter. What would be the point of feeding people that have
died of exposure (as even the healthiest of their people seem to be
suffering)?

These people are not craftsmen and farmers for the most part. What
few craftsmen they are would be needed on other projects. The people
weren't being lazy they just didn't have the skills for the rugged
living they would have to do.

I was somewhat letdown.

Giovanni Wassen...

3.50 stars

erilar...

1.0 Now I don't have to watch it next half-season. That was so bad it
could have been an episode of Enterprise.

2nd Season Battlestar Galactica - Lay Down Your Burdens 2 - 5 star poll - SPOILERS AHOY !