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lead guitar on 'get back' at the roof
30 Sep 2006 06:58:33 -0700
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denim73...
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Hi. Was it John doing the lead in get back? particularly when they
played it at the rooftop? thanks
DayTripper1966...
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After Revolver, John and George each played lead on about half the
songs.
denim73...
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oh really? can u pls name other songs in which John played lead? even a
handful of the more popular ones. thanks.
fattuchus...
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I believe John did the slide guitar on For You Blue.
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Danny Caccavo...
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I Want You (she's so heavy)
Honey Pie
You Can't Do That
Every Little Thing
Long Tall Sally (first solo)
Revolution
Yer blues
The End (Paul, George, John, Paul, George John, Paul, George, John)
donz5...
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The only songs in the above list that constitute any "lead guitar"
playing by John is "Honey Pie" and "The End."
DayTripper1966...
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Obviously, "lead guitar" is subjective. Your opinion differs from
"Beatlesongs"
donz5...
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You got that right. "Beatlesongs" is a hodgepodge of sloppy
scholarship.
DayTripper1966...
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That is your opinion, but I don't know enough about the book to
disagree with you.
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DayTripper1966...
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Plus -
Source: Beatlesongs
Sgt Pepper
Getting Better
When I'm 64
Day In The Life
Hello Goodbye
Hey Bulldog
It's All Too Much
Dear Prudence
Happiness is a Warm Gun
I'm So Tired
Birthday
Me and my Monkey
Helter Skelter
Honey Pie
Savoy Truffle
Don't Let Me Down
Dig a Pony
Across the Universe
I've Got a Feeling
One After 909 (910)
For You Blue
Get Back
Ballad Of John and Yoko
Come Together
Something
Maxwell's SIlver Hammer
Octopus's Garden
I Want You
Because
You Never Give Me Your Money
Sun King
Polythene Pam
donz5...
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Playing acoustic guitar (ATU, ADITL, for examples) does not constitute
"lead guitar" status.
donz5...
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Also, if you're assigning such a weak definition of "lead guitar" to
John for his acoustic guitar playing, then you've then got to add
"Julia" (John), "Mother Nature's Son" (Paul), "Blackbird" (Paul), "I
Will" (Paul), "Rocky Racoon" (Paul), and others..
It gets silly real fast.
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And assigning John to "lead guitar" in some of these songs is just
flatly incorrect -- "I've Got a Feeling" was George; "One After 909":
DayTripper1966...
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Your opinion is "correct"? You make it sound as if your opinion is
fact.
donz5...
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With regard to the two specific songs cited, I'm not stating an opinion
but rather an incontestable fact: George plays the lead guitar in "One
After 909" and "I've Got a Feeling." Not John.
DayTripper1966...
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What is your source? Once again, I am not saying you are wrong, but
would like to see another source out of curiosity.
Would you agree with my original assertion that there was no real
"lead" or "rhythm" guitarist after Revolver, as there was before and
during Revolver?
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BlackMonk...
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According to The Beatles as Musicians, John played lead guitar on "I've Got
A Feeling." Paul is even quoted as working with him on the bends, "It's
supposed to sounds like pain, at the moment, it sounds like a riff" or
something to that effect. I'd guess that both John and George played lead
guitar on the song, since the fills during the verse sound more like George.
donz5...
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All of the available film footage (both commercially released and
unreleased) of the "Get Back" sessions, as well as the countless
rehearsals of the song as captured on the Nagra reels, clearly
establish George playing lead guitar, in particular those bends at the
end of the middle section; Paul is addressing George, not John, in
regards to those bends.
Walter was simply mistaken about that one bit.
(btw -- he mistakenly e-mailed me when he had intended to e-mail you
last August; we had some terrific chats, kinda thanks to you. - g)
BlackMonk...
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I wonder what he wanted? Probably for me to stop misquoting his book.
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BlackMonk...
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If there's no lead guitar on the song (and neither of those songs had a
guitar doing anything other than rhythm:no fills, no solos, no melodic
parts), then it's a question of facts, not opinions.
donz5...
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I think the two songs referred here are "One After 909" and "I've Got a
Feeling," not ATU and ADITL; DayTripper has snipped those songs (and
"Maxwell" as well) from my post, giving the understandable
misimpression that I was referring to ATU and ADITL when offering the
"flatly incorrect" fact.
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George. Those little riffs in "Maxwell": George.
And "Because?" Where's the lead guitar there?
Extremely weak evidence cited here.
DayTripper1966...
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What evidence are you talking about?
donz5...
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I might be forgetting a few, but that's what comes to mind.
fattuchus...
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I don't know if the proper word is "lead" but I understand John played
a major guitar part in I Feel Fine. I think he plays the opening
chords. I think John and George were taking turns in that one.
DayTripper1966...
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Yes he does. George does not come in until the instrumental-only part.
donz5...
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John and George play the same motifs throughout the song.
The "lead guitar" moment, as you describe it -- the "instrumental-only
part" -- is George.
Allrounder...
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Are you sure about this? Have you seen the Let It Be movie? He's adressing
John IMHO.
donz5...
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crazytimes...
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John starts off the song with the main riff alone, but then the rest of
the band joins in, wherein George takes over the main riff motif and
John starts playing chords...
'I Feel Fine' - Ed Sullivan '65:
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BlackMonk...
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What about the introduction, which is also lead guitar?
donz5...
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True enough; I was going by DayTripper's description of the
"instrumental-only part," which I (perhaps mistakenly) interpreted as
the middle instrumental lead section. Which, there, is George playing
the lead while John is continuing his riff.
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Danny Caccavo...
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Yeah, I was thinking "solos" when replying about "lead guitar." I've
seen a list of "lead guitar" which had about 100 songs, but that's using
a very liberal definition.
Still no definitive answer on "Hey Bulldog" - it has both John and
George characteristics....
(oh, yeah, and as mentioned, "For You Blue")
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Lukan...
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Wrong.
Hell Paul played more lead guitar than John did after Revolver.
terra...
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I dunno, a riff is not lead guitar IMO, it's a rhythmic background. A solo
is a lead, whether bass, drum or guitar (or piano, etc.).
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