Beatles sounding like others...

Dylan: You've Got To Hide Your Love Away

F Parella...

I definitely agree there.

The Who: Polythene Pam / Helter Skelter

Danny Caccavo...

Specifically, "Polythene Pam" sounds like "Relax" by The Who.

terra...

Nah, I don't hear that.

Danny Caccavo...

The intro to "Relax," specifically. When I first heard Polythene Pam
that's immediately what I thought of.

terra...

Yes, ok, of course now I hear it. You're right.

Jales...

Yes indeed!!

F Parella...

I've heard the story of Paul writing HS to compete with the Who. And
it is loud and raunchy, but it doesn't sound Whoish at all to me.
Maybe if the drumming were a little wilder, etc.

Dale Houstman...

It doesn't sound like the Who. As I recall, Paul wasn't attempting so
much to imitate their particular sound, but just to let the audience
know the Beatles could be as loud and energetic as the Who were seen to be.

F Parella...

Yep, that's my understanding as well.

Midnight Oil of Oz - now they did a fine Who imitation on occasion.

The Kinks: Good Day Sunshine / Your Mother Should Know

The Byrds: I`ve Just Seen a Face / If I Needed Someone

Frank from Deeetroit...

Anthology version of And Your Bird Can Sing, the version where the were
laughing, has a Byrds sound to it.

crazytimes...

'Falling, yes I"m falling'... does sound like , 'Heyyyyyy, Mr.
Spaceman'... - but which one was recorded and released first?...

Here There And Everywhere - supposedly written by Paul and John after
hearing a test-pressing of Pet Sounds in London brought over by Derek
Taylor and Bruce Johnston, BBoys bassist...

The Beach Boys: This Boy / Yes It Is / Back In The USSR

The Hollies: I Don't Want To Spoil The Party / Think For Yourself

The Rolling Stones: None

Frank from Deeetroit...

John and Paul and possibly George, sang background on the Stone's
"Dandelion"

terra...

No, they did sing on We Love You, the flip side, but not Dandelion.

Jales...

I just thought the same, but it seems that they may have played on both
songs, plus Sing This All Together and Sing This All Together (See What
Happens).

terra...

Seems?

It had been established long ago that those were all just rumors, unless
you have some sort of evidence to the contrary to cite.

Frank from Deeetroit...

Here is a cite that indicates Lennon and McCartney sang back-up on
Dandelion. Sure sounds like them to my ears.

terra...

to go on. But thank you for giving a cite anyway, too often people don't
follow up with them.

Jales...

And these are another ones on Sing This All Together:

Jales...

George wasn't involved at all. But did the Beatles (on their own
records) ever sound like the Stones?

Frank from Deeetroit...

Nothing obvious comes to mind where the Beatles sounded like the Stones, but
the Stones were mostly followers of other artists. If anything, the Stones
sounded lie the Beatles on certain songs.

crazytimes...

I don't think the Beatles ever sought to emulate the Stones in a
particular manner for a particular song... But there are certainly
lots of Beatles tunes that could have easily been adapted into the
Stones repetoire of the time, in some alternate universe where the
Stones were more popular and the Beatles were just song fodder...

A few early ones...

All I've Got To Do...
Baby's In Black...
Bad Boy... (cover)...
Boys... (cover)...
Can't Buy Me Love...
Devil In Her Heart...
Dizzy Miss Lizzie... (cover)...
Every Little Thing...
I Call Your Name...
I Feel Fine...
I Saw Her Standing There...
I Wanna Be Your Man (oops... they did cover that one)...
I'll Cry Instead... (kinda sounds like 'It's All Over Now')...
I'm Down... (kinda sounds like 'She Said Yeah', a song supposedly
suggested to the Stones by J/P)...
Komm Gib Mir Deine Hand... (good way to tap the German market)...
Leave My Kitten Alone...
Little Child...
Mr. Moonlight... (cover)...
Slow Down... (cover... I can hear them doing a slowed down version of
this)...
When I Get Home...
You Can't Do That...

Middles agers...

Ticket To Ride...
Day Tripper...
Drive My Car...
Girl...
Paperback Writer... (19th Nervous Breakdownesque)...
Run For Your Life...
The Word...
Wait...
What Goes On...
Yesterday (As Tears Go By)...
You're Going To Lose That Girl...

Some later ones...

With A Little Help From My Friends... (Joe Cocker style)...
Back in the USSR...
Cry Baby Cry...
Helter Skelter... (kinda did later with 'Heartbreaker...
DooDooDooDoo')...
I'm So Tired...
Why Don't We Do It In The Road...
Yer Blues... ('Yer Blues, John)...
Don't Let Me Down...
Get Back...
I've Got a Feeling...
One After 909...
I Want You (She's So Heavy)...
Oh! Darling...
Something...
Come Together...

blackmanny1...

The fuzz guitar on "Think For Yourself" is vaguely reminiscent of
"Satisfaction," but that's about it. I think The Beatles (rightly)
regarded the Stones as their musical poor cousins, not worthy of
imitation.

Joe B...

John had mentioned that "Day Tripper" was his attempt to come up with
a song like "Satisfaction".

Jales...

Interesting, but the performance and the recording are so much

terra...

Again, thanks for the cites but they are shaky. Unless this is brand new
information it has always been held that the only song they worked on was We
Love You. Wikipedia is always suspect as a source AFAIC and the fan lyric
site is no authority.

cleaner!!... I think they would have never allowed themselves to sound
as rough and careless as the Stones

Bernie Woodham...

Daytripper has a far better riff than Satisfaction also.

Jales...

You're right! And better vocals too...

Jales...

I agree. I think the early Stones records left much to be desired in
terms of sonic quality. I don't know why those first songs were so

Bernie Woodham...

It depends on what you use Wikipedia for. In this day and age there are no
unquestionable sources of information. As far as music fan information on
Wiki, it would probably depend on the popularity of the band and ,
therefore, the number of contributors. The more contributors the more
accurate the information is going to be. That's because people will
challenge each other on disagreements. (as though you cannot see this in
RMB).

Current political information is the same way. Hot disputes, but you are
at least aware of what is in question and what is in agreemeent. But you
still have to use your own judgement as you would evaluating any source.

Wiki is a very good first source for an introduction to any subject.
Especially when they give sources and further links.

Lookingglass...

...but there are certainly 'some' sources of information that are better
than others...Oxford English Dictionary...Encyclopedia Britannica...etc.

I have only passed by Wikipedia occasionally...but as I understand the
service, anyone can contribute to an 'article' or edit an
article...therefore I could place faulty information into that article. If I
did not know it was 'faulty', I would (if I trusted it) believe it, and take
it as a fact.

Correct?

The Internet is a great place for information and communication, but 'caveat
emptor'.

dancin' dave (...look, what you're doing...)

terra...

Sorry, but it's too easy to dismiss Wiki.

And as all authorized bio's and such of both bands have always held they
only did the one song, it would be nice to get an official authorized word
here over a fan lyric site.

I'm ready to be proved wrong yet once again, but I want to know the source
has it right after all these years.

badly recorded... (Good Times Bad Times, Under The Boardwalk, Bye Bye
Johnny, You Better Move On and many others....) On the other hand, the

Dale Houstman...

I imagine it was partly because - outside the crew at Abbey road studios
and the "guiding ear" and taste of Martin - many other studios simply
did not have the stuff to get such a clean vibrant sound. This plagues a
lot of other bands; I think the Kinks' "Arthur" is a superb album, but
it's sound certainly isn't as good as that routinely achieved by the Boys.

Lookingglass...

The early WHO recordings suffer from this also. I believe the WHO and the
KINKS shared Shel Talmy...to my eternal chagrin.

Jales...

I agree completely! To my ears, the early Who records sound worse than
the Kinks.... specially A Quick One (even though this was recorded in
1966)...

Eric Ramon...

I *love* the sound of these. You're probably right that they're not
recorded as well but there's something about them that hits me in a
good way.

Dale Houstman...

Sure. Actually, I have a fondness for many of the rather flat-sounding
records of the time, where everything except the drums seems to come
from one speaker. A simple separation.

Lookingglass...

I love them too...just as I love the very very early recordings made on
cylinders and the ones made with, not microphones, but a horn directly to
the cutting needle on the wax record. They are recordings 'of their time'.
Distinct. I'm not sure I would have the same appreciation for all these
recordings if they were made with today's technology...they would be
different. Besides, at the time they were released, we didn't know any
better...we LOVED 'em as they were.

dancin' dave (...when I get older, losing my hair, many years from now...)

minglewood...

What I like about the Kinks' recordings is the huge amount of
compression that was used. I'm thinking of songs like "Big Black
Smoke," Johnny Thunder," King Kong," and others. The compression
muddies the clarity, but it gives them a big pumping massive sound.
This is most apparent in albums like Face to Face, Something Else, and
Village Green Preservation Society. Their earlier records seemed
cleaner.

Lookingglass...

I LOVE them too...we have no choice.

dancin' dave (...and you know that can't be bad...)

Dale Houstman...

From what I've heard, this was a general situation at the time, until
much later. Face it, those boys at Abbey Road were on to something, and
it took others a while to catch up. Many recording studios were filled
with fellows who knew how to record an earlier sort of musical act, but
were unable (and often unwilling) to explore the sonic limits of rock.
There are plenty of stories of engineers and producers resisting
distortion and "over-amping" for rock acts. And still those rockers
didn't sound like Rudy Vallee...

Lookingglass...

Here is another case for which we have Sir George Martin to thank. If I
remember correctly, besides his 'comedy' recordings, he also recorded
'classical' music...orchestras. So he had a good 'foundation' from which to
work...though there is no similarity between the two 'ensembles'. Each had
different needs...but his experience lent itself to 'figuring out' HOW to
get a good recording of a group of musicians.

Thanks Sir George.

I also like the work of Glyn Johns...he made the WHO's NEXT recording sound

Frank from Deeetroit...

Who's Next was the first album that brought me out of the "Beatles break-up
blues." Who's Next blew out a nicepair of headphones, caused me to buy a
set that I could not afford, but was worth it.

'stunning'.

Dale Houstman...

Very good. Jimmy Miller (with the Stones) eventually got a very clean
(and still dirty) sound for them. And it wasn't only Martin's expertise
with orchestras,but something expansive and daring in his nature which
allowed him to see something, even in the early days, in the Boys which
demanded more than a simple get it on tape and ship it attitude. Of
course, he was partly being shoved along by a couple of very ambitious
and talented people, but he was also in the capacity of an instructor
(early on at least), and - most importantly - an intelligent and
observant friend. All this is a mixture uncommon enough.

Lookingglass...

I think I remember really noticing the quality of the Stones recordings
about AFTERMATH...and beyond. The earlier recordings were like the Kinks and
Who recordings...tinny!!!

Again...this shows the absolute dedication of ALL the people involved...The
Beatles, Sir George and the technicians at EMI, Brian Epstein and his staff.
It was KISMET...!!! A match made in HEAVEN...!!! It was a *Golden Mean*
time...PERFECTION...!!! I know it was a money making enterprise, but I
believe everyone involved knew that this was a 'ground-breaking' venture,
and they all acted with integrity in their particular part. They were ALL
exploring and discovering the 'new' in their piece of the puzzle...they ALL
wanted to maintain the very high standard that John, Paul, George, and Ringo
set with their music and performances. Talent came first...but without all
the hard work and 'exploring' nature of the people involved, we would not
have the stunning legacy that is THE BEATLES.

dancin' dave (...and you know that can't be bad...)

dancin' dave (...listen to the color of your dreams...)

dancin' dave (...can you hear me...)

first Beatles records had a much better overall sound... Obviously, the
producers and engineers at Abbey Road knew what they were doing!
If we consider the performances, the differences are huge: let's take
for example the two versions of Money...!
Anyway, the Stones found their sound by the time of Beggars/Let It Bleed

Frank from Deeetroit...

Wasn't the fuzz guitar on "Think for Yourself" Paul playing a fuzz'd bass?

I like the Stones, and for me to say they ripped other artists off is too
strong of a term, but they sure made a career out of following the lead of
other artists. Not sure if they were leaders or innovators, but I do not
recall any new ideas coming out of the Stones.

abe slaney...

I'm pretty sure they did fuzz bass before "Think For Yourself."

Pink Floyd: Only A Northern Song / What's The New Mary Jane

What else?

blackmanny1...

Several of McCartney's songs, especially on the White Album, have an
old music hall flavor to them. Also, "Lady Madonna" seems to be
heavily influenced by Fats Domino, while "Two of Us" and "I'll Follow
The Sun" sound like The Everly Brothers to me. "I'm Down" is straight
out of Little Richard. "Helter Skelter" seems very influenced by Chuck

copperhead365...

Not EVEN. Ray Charles all the way.

Eric Ramon...

Speaking of...I Feel Fine has the What'd I Say drumming.

blackmanny1...

I hesitate even to reply to your post because you so obviously don't
have a clue. Ray Charles NEVER recorded anything remotely like "I'm
Down," while Little Richard's entire career was based on similar

microknee finger...

That's not true, Ray had some rockers. I can't name 12 off the top of my
head, but Ray's "I Got A Woman" had a huge influence on rock n' roll, for
example, and came out a few months before Little Richard hit upon his
winning formula.

As Eric Ramon alludes to, "I'm Down" definitely does bear a resemblance to
Ray Charles' "What'd I Say," which the Beatles covered.

Eric Ramon...

If I said "I'm Down" I meant "I Feel Fine".

Having said all that, "I'm Down" is definitely an intentional Little Richard
rip... Macca has even gone on record as saying so.

Eric Ramon...

totally agree

microknee finger...

Oops--you did say I Feel Fine, but I read incorrectly between the lines.

I'm Down reminds of me "What'd I Say" with the way each verse starts with
those stops, and the chord progression is pretty much identical.

~ Chad

~ Chad

up-tempo rockers. Can you point out a half dozen or so Ray Charles
songs that you think are similar to "I'm Down?"

Berry. Someone mentioned the Beach Boys - what about "Back In The
USSR?"