Good news, bad news, and kittens update

for her to disappear for weeks at a time, but never two days short of
a full month. She's healthy, happy, and hungry.

during a break in the rain - that surprised me because he never goes
out when it's wet, in fact, he hadn't been out at all in the last few
weeks. I posted back in March that he was getting old, and he's been
deteriorating rapidly lately. I think he went outside to find a place
to be alone to die in peace. I will be very surprised if he returns,
but I hope he does.

Abraham Lincoln...

I would be too especially since you were dumb enough to let him out -
maybe you should have had a brain and kept him inside since he was
ailing. Or maybe he will get a true home for his last days better than
the one he had.

cybercat...

One would only hope. Ted is a brutal moron who should not have cats.

Ted Davis...

I suspect that the reason you are such an "indoor only" fanitic is
that any cat of yours that had a chance to run away would run away at
the first opportunity.

I'm so brutal to cats that strays and ferals sometimes seek out my
clowder and join it. When was the last time a cat *chose* to live
with you?

Jo Firey...

Note, you are being bated by a non-resident troll. Try to ignore.

cybercat...

Bated? Did you mean, "baited?" Nonsense. I am merely expressing my opinion
that Ted is an abusive ass for letting a kitten out unsupervised.

Here's another: you are a sanctimonious, tight-lipped moron. Again, I have
no interest in provoking you, just stating my opinion.

It's great, isn't it? It is a breath of fresh air in the Kingdom of
Hypocritia, almost as though someone opened your windows and unplugged the
air fresheners to get the toilet smell out of your nasty abode.

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Ted Davis...

Playing games with flamers (and trolls - that was more of a flame than
a troll) is an old usenet sport.

clangnuts...

I realise Cybercat is a worthless troll, but I enjoy a good flame too
much to initially ignore. I'm with Ted, and just wanted to show support
for an realistic cat lover.

CatNipped...

You may enjoy a "good flame", but this group does not. Here's a quote from
our FAQ: http://www.angelfire.com/mt/yowie/catfaq.htm:

"6.2.3 The indoor/outdoor debate.
We've all go our own viewpoints: only you can decide what is best for your
cat. Most people know all the issues back to front and don't want to hear
them again."

[BTW Yowie, my offer of web space to host the FAQ page - with your own
login - still applies, the pop-ups on that page drive me crazy!!] ;>

I consider myself a "realistic cat lover" and all may cats stay happily, and
safe, indoors. Please don't assume that everyone here, except "trolls",
believes in letting cats roam.

Clangnuts...

I never supported either viewpiont in my post. You seem a little uptight.
All I said was that Ted is a realistic cat lover. For TEDS situation, I
agree with his actions. Every situation has to be viewed individually.

Ted Davis...

Typically, cats go away from home to die ... if they can. What do you
call denying a cat its last request by forbidding it to die the way it
wants to?

Adrian A...

CatNipped...

Not the FAQ police, just stating a fact - we've gone over this issue ad
infinitum and it will *never* be resolved! In fact we've gone over it so
much that most of the people here (and the indoor-only crowd is, I believe,
a majority here from my count of what I've read of others' cats) don't even
respond any more.

You're not the only one who objects to people spouting the "benefits" of
allowing cats to roam, unopposed by those who know better. You're not even
the only one trying to even the argument (although I am feeling a bit
lonely). And a lot of people here still (and again, after this latest
indoor/outdoor argument in other threads) call me a troll and have me
kill-filed. That won't stop me from writing what I believe. Even when I'm
trying to defend *you* and your point of view!!! ;>

However, again, this is an issue that the group (*without* my assistance or
spokespersonship) has agreed to disagree on.

cybercat...

I see. Well, you know I love you. But if it sounds like the FAQ police and
it
looks like the FAQ police, and it acts like the FAQ police ...

(be careful who you hang around, kid! You become like them in the end, to
one
degree or another. Conform here if you want, but do you really want to be an
enforcer?)

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It's a pity cybercats don't go away to die.

EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)...

It's a pity kill-files occasionally slip - I'm sure I
plonked "cybercat" a long time ago!

Ted Davis...

I bought a place in the country so I could have free cats instead of
captives. The ones that want to be indoor cats are free to be indoor
cats; the ones that want to be outdoor cats can be outdoor cats; the
ones that want to be both can be both, and they can change their minds
whenever convenient. Many of the cats in my clowder were semiferal as
kittens - most of the others were discarded or lost when I rescued
them. Spooky's background is unknown - he came to dinner one night in
October 1992 and stayed. He liked not having to be outside and having
the freedom to go out when it suited him.

sriddles...

In a nice little cookie-cutter world, every cat would have an indoor
home with safe access to the outdoors. Makes me wonder which
cookie-cutter world some of the posters we get come from.
The reality is, cats are as different. Some cats would go slap crazy
confined indoors. It's fortunate that there are a few places where it's
relatively safe to let a cat out. And confining *that particular type*
of cat indoors against its will IMO is borderline abuse.

Now, the three red tabby kittens. They are growing up rapidly.
They're a bit over ten weeks old now, and all but Sieglinde have fully
colored eyes. They have gotten quieter, except that Siegfried appears
headed toward being a noisy face licker type lap cat. Siegmund is the
only one not purring loudly when petted. They get along well with all
the adults except Snowball, who just met them a few hours ago. Since
they have mastered the kitchen door cat flap into the mud room and are
now using the adults' food, water, and litter, I have removed the
bowls and pan I set up for them in the bathroom - I'll add kitten chow
to the food pan until I run out.

Speaking of Siegfried, he's also showing signs of being a very
demanding computer room cat - he's walking all over my hands, meowing,
and licking my fingers right now ... and purring loudly enough to be
heard across the room. ... A bit of petting did not calm him down for
more than a minute or so. That kitten is going to be a problem.
Correction: he *is* a problem. The other two are just exploring the

EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)...

Well, you DID name him "Siegfried"! He's just living up to
his name (although one can hope he's a bit brighter than
Wagner's hero).

room between wrestling matches.

They still do the zoomies on the bed and toe greeble attacks thing
during the night.

Yesterday, one of them stepped on the off button for the UPS that
powers my satellite transciever/modem and router which took my server
off line for a while.