Modern e-collar use - demonstration

I used to be very, very against e-collars. I'm still against poor use
of them (or any other tool!). Until I really learned, in person, from
someone I trusted, I thought the same way as many of the objectors do.
I think it's a good idea to see things in person. Reading is not the
same, a video is not the same, and even personalized conversation is
not the same. SEE how things can be used. FEEL what they feel like
(even if you think that dogs = people except rubber shoes - go
barefoot!). I have. I changed my mind.

I still don't use them for most things, never intend to. Not because
of any evil, pain or aversive factor though, but because I think that
anything I have to carry (even around my neck or in my pocket or
around my waist) is a PITA.

I doubt that most of the hysterical types are willing to go see how
e-collars can be used, but it's a thought.

Sandy in OK...

And yet, I'm not sure how using the collar for aversion training (to
feces) is "modern" use. And I don't think I was the only person

Janet B...

It's not. It's classic.

confused by the concept of using an ecollar for weave poles.

Janet B...

I understand that, but then none have seen it used for such.

Robin Nuttall...

And yet, some of us with far more agility experience than you have are
saying it's a very poor idea. At the very least it's a totally
unneccessary tool for the job at hand. My bet is that it's probably also
ineffective in creating the kind of weave performance I want to have and
I want my students to have. If you care to name names of who uses it so
effectively for agility competition I'd certainly be willing to listen.

Janet B...

I don't. I don't believe in dragging people's names into something
without their desire to be involved. If I come across a website where
someone is discussing it, I'll be happy to provide a link to that.

Robin Nuttall...

Let me know. Because in years of reading agiledogs, cleanrun-l, and many
smaller agility lists, taking classes, and attending seminars as well as
being subscribed to CleanRun I've never, ever heard anybody suggest the
ecollar for weaves. And yes, I've talked to some who have used it to
reinforce a specific contact behavior. But not weaves.