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Underground Dog Fence
Thu, 16 Mar 2006 18:45:58 -0600
rec.pets.dogs.behavior
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Larry R Harrison Jr...
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Just got 2 small puppies, looking at getting an underground dog fence.
Amazingly when I look at Lowe's website you practically can't find anything
on it at all. Managed to find SOME information at HomeDepot's site but even
that one didn't work so well.
We only have about 3/4 of an acre but we do rent (currently) and have to
have the dogs leashed--but we'd rather do the dog fence option so they can
run unconstrained within the zone.
What are good places and prices to buy? Also do they commonly come with only
1 collar making it necessary to buy a 2nd collar separately?
Papa Dog...
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My neighbor down the street has one of those fences. His 2 dogs are out
all the time. When I walk my dog to the park they run right through the
e-fence and out to see my dog. I've talked to the guy, he said that he
A Poor Shepherd Boy And His Dog At His Masters Feet...
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Oh? You mean JUST LIKE THIS?:
diddler on fence / perimeter training:
"I admit our system fails occassionally"
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A Poor Shepherd Boy And His Dog At His Masters Feet...
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"I admit our system fails occassionally"
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A Poor Shepherd Boy And His Dog At His Masters Feet...
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"I admit our system fails occassionally"
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A Poor Shepherd Boy And His Dog At His Masters Feet...
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"I admit our system fails occassionally"
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A Poor Shepherd Boy And His Dog At His Masters Feet...
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"I admit our system fails occassionally"
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A Poor Shepherd Boy And His Dog At His Masters Feet...
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"I admit our system fails occassionally"
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A Poor Shepherd Boy And His Dog At His Masters Feet...
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"I admit our system fails occassionally"
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A Poor Shepherd Boy And His Dog At His Masters Feet...
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"I admit our system fails occassionally"
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A Poor Shepherd Boy And His Dog At His Masters Feet...
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"I admit our system fails occassionally"
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A Poor Shepherd Boy And His Dog At His Masters Feet...
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"I admit our system fails occassionally"
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A Poor Shepherd Boy And His Dog At His Masters Feet...
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"I admit our system fails occassionally"
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A Poor Shepherd Boy And His Dog At His Masters Feet...
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"I admit our system fails occassionally"
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A Poor Shepherd Boy And His Dog At His Masters Feet...
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"I admit our system fails occassionally"
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A Poor Shepherd Boy And His Dog At His Masters Feet...
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"I admit our system fails occassionally"
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A Poor Shepherd Boy And His Dog At His Masters Feet...
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"I admit our system fails occassionally"
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A Poor Shepherd Boy And His Dog At His Masters Feet...
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"I admit our system fails occassionally"
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A Poor Shepherd Boy And His Dog At His Masters Feet...
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BWAHAAAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA!!!!
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has the thing turned up wide open and these are little dogs. ( a chi and
A Poor Shepherd Boy And His Dog At His Masters Feet...
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Yeah. Perhaps he needs new batteries... LIKE THIS:
From: Julia F N Altshuler (d0006...@dc.seflin.org)
Subject: 1 step forward, 2 steps back
Cubbe got out in the neighborhood leashless for the
first time in roughly 2 years. The first few times
were when we first got her before she'd had any
training and before we got the electric fence
to reinforce the physical one.
It was horrible. She paid us no attention, ignored
clickers and treats and calls. Make that, it was
horrible for us. She had a blast running free and
chasing whatever she wanted. For us it was 45 minutes
of sheer terror as we tried to catch her.
Luckily there wasn't too much traffic yesterday morning.
It had snowed, and the streets weren't quite clear yet.
Jim finally caught her when she was preoccupied with her
head down a hole.
For 2 years I've been giving her a daily long walk in
the neighborhood. She now walks pretty nicely on a leash.
She gets daily indoor clicker training sessions. She has
perfect recalls in the house. She gets intermittent treats
for those recalls.
She gets plenty of time to run free in the backyard.
Her recalls are less reliable there, but I've been
working on them.
I haven't been as good about introducing the variable
reinforcement there, but I have been good about making
sure that she's never tricked into coming into the house
when she'd rather be outside. I always call her, give her
a treat or praise and let her go again.
So I haven't been a perfect dog trainer, but I don't think
I'm a terrible one. I say that because I'm about to ask
y'all for some help in correcting my mistakes, and while I
don't mind criticism for past mistakes, I am hoping you'll
concentrate on what I should do now.
Yesterday morning Cubbe had had some nice backyard time.
'd gotten her into the house and was preparing to leave when
she escaped straight through the front door and right in front
of our noses. She was still wearing the zap collar, but the
battery was low. She gave a small yip when she went over the
wire, and the chase ensued.
We were careful not to scold her once she was caught.
Today I let her out in the backyard with her usual zap collar
now with a fresh battery. She was waiting by the backdoor to
come in when I went to call her.
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A Poor Shepherd Boy And His Dog At His Masters Feet...
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expected to be let out the front door again so she could
have another fun romp in the neighborhood. I'm so filled
with anxiety from yesterday's escapade that I keep checking
for her every time I open the door.
Later in the afternoon, she was much worse about coming
when called even from the backyard.
My specific questions:
How do I teach recalls when she so clearly knows when
she's in a confined space and when she isn't?
She normally only wears the zap collar when she's in the
backyard because the wire goes around the house and could
zap her when she's near certain windows inside. If I let
her get zapped at the front door with the zap collar, can
I still take the zap collar off and walk her out the front
door with her leash on?
I don't want her to become afraid of the front door.
What's the best emergency procedure if, god forbid,
it should happen again?
Might Cubbe be ready for harsher training techniques?
By this I mean, I've been using clicker and treats for
Cubbe because she so obviously freaked when we used
leash corrections and scoldings when we first got her.
I know this is a hard subject to bring up without starting
the whole cruelty thread again so I'll state my opinion once
and won't defend it further: any method can be cruel for some
dogs.
Even the slightest punishment was wrong for Cubbe at the
beginning, but we've come a long way since then.
She trusts us now as I mentioned in a recent post.
Point is, she's been rewarded for coming, but she's never
been punished, even in the mildest way, for not coming.
Is it time for that? What might I look for to tell?
Last night we had friends over for dinner with their 3
daughters ages 14, 10 and 7. The girls loved Cubbe and
were having a blast clicker training her.
I was impressed with how quickly they caught on and how
little correction they needed to be consistent with the
clicks and treats.
Cubbe was fine with the children; she always has been.
Just as they were getting ready to go, the 10 year old
went to give Cubbe a hug. Cubbe must have felt threatened
and confined because she gave a snarl-snap.
I was right there, and without thinking I quickly yelled,
turned Cubbe over on her back, got in the face and let her
know that no snarling is allowed.
The girl wasn't frightened at all, and her parents who
were also right there hadn't realized what had happened.
I then asked the snarlee to rub Cubbe's belly further to
reinforce that Cubbe is the submissive one in that relationship.
I let Cubbe up and all was fine.
I suppose that's another issue, but I bring it up as part
of wondering if Cubbe should be trained with punishments
now. Like I said, I did that without thinking, and now I
think it was the right thing to do. So how do I apply this
to dealing with Cubbe the escapee?
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some kind of poodle mix) He said hes putting a fence up soon (been
saying it a while) I don't think they are reliable. I agree with Jack
you really need a real fence. I know you're renting. When my brother
rented he ran a clothes line all the way across the back yard between 2
trees. He hooked a 20 ft cable up to the line. His dog had the run of
the back yard and my brother could sit on the deck and not have to be
with him every minute. Thats a cheap option. You might have to run two
cables one for each dog but cable is cheap. Its not a perfect option
but it could get you by until you can get somewhere where theres a
fence.
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Handsome Jack Morrison...
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IMO, you shouldn't get an electronic fence. You should:
1. Rely on your puppies staying close to home anyway, if you're in the
yard with them.
2. Start OBEDIENCE TRAINING your puppies ASAP.
3. Build a real fence or move to a place with a real fence.
I don't know your specific situation, or where your yard is located,
who your neighbors are, etc., but in the absence of further
information, I stand by my recommendations above.
As an aside, I think an electronic fence should only be used in
temporary situations, and as a backup to a real fence.
For the vast majority of dogs and situations, e-fences just aren't
very reliable.
But good luck with your pups!
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