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Biting problem with submissive dog
19 Jul 2006 12:44:10 -0700
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Cecil...
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Hi there,
Four months ago I adopted two dogs from a rescue shelter. A 15 pound
female (1 =BD years) and 8 pound male (3 years) - terrier mixes, they
came together and are very attached to each other. They both have very
calm temperaments. The female is definitely the dominant one, and
playful. The male is submissive and a little delicate - and very
sweet. They need leash and manners training - but overall they're
doing very great.
I have one big problem with the male. When he meets a new person
(especially men) he lunges and bites. Usualy a sock or a pant leg,
given his size. If I'm not careful, he'll do it on a walk as we
pass strangers. Once he meets the person and they pet him, he's a
total sweetheart and there are no further incidents. He'll become
compeletly submissive and just want to be held and loved. I've never
had a dog that bites, and it's just awful. Worst part is, my dog
walker told me the other day, that he's still trying to go after her
- even after four months of walks.
Human_And_Animal_Behaviour_Forensic_Sciences_Research_Laboratory...
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Well then get rid of the dog walker on accHOWENT of
she's ABUSING the dog, Cecil. DOGS DO NOT ATTACK
UNLESS THEY'RE AFRAID, Cecil <{): ~ ( >
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Rocky...
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I think that you've correctly identified the worst part. It
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matty is a lyin dog abusing mental case, Cecil. He makes his
livin off of runnin a ILLEGAL doggy day care and CONvincing
ignorameHOWESES that their dogs cannot be trained to stay
alone all day by themselves <{} : ~ ( >
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also may be a clue as to why there's been no improvement after
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That's sheer idiocy. ALL aggression is FEAR.
ALL FEAR IS CAUSED BY MISHANDLING.
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4 months. Granted, 4 months is not a lot of time, but he
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Four months of "DEALIN" with the same problem is IDIOCY.
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certainly shouldn't be trying to "go after" someone he knows
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Cecil SEZ he DON'T. EXXXCEPT for his dog walker.
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and should trust.
What does your dog walker do when your dog lunges at strangers
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She jerks an chokes him like HOWE you recommend, matty.
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Of curse. Only difference is IT don't attack him.
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during the walk? Does your dog do the same thing when you're
walking him? Does your dog do the same thing when he's walked
without his sister? How is he with strangers when he's off
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leash?
Cecil...
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My dog walker and I do the same thing on walks - keep him on a short
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You jerk an choke and force CON-TROLL.
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leash when walking near a stranger (or try to avoid getting close). He
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AND THAT'S HOWE COME HE'S AFRAID OF THEM.
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Rocky...
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This is the first place that hands-on training can help. You
may be sending tons of inadvertant messages to your dog and
exacerbating the situation. Or not.
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seems to have this behavior regardless of whether he's walking with the
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Of curse. It's TRIGGERED by the LEASH.
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walker or me. I haven't been walking him much by himself - but might
be a good idea to work each dog individually. Off leash, with
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Rocky...
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The reason I asked about this is because I take care of (and
walk) many dogs which aren't mine. I rarely see some of the
poor behaviour these dogs apparently exhibit to their owners,
but there are reasons for that, I believe. That it's occuring
with your dog in two disparate situations is another reason to
look for unbiased outside professional advice.
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strangers, I don't trust him - that's the biggest problem. He's small
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Of curse not, on accHOWENT of he's UNTRAINED.
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No it AIN'T. The BIGGEST PROBLEM is you're jerkin an chokin him.
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Lucky thing. OtherWIZE he'd be DEAD.
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and cute - prompting people to bend down and stick out their hand for
him to sniff. Until he knows the person, that when he runs up and
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NO PROBLEMO. You can EXXXTINGUISH THAT
NEARLY INSTANTLY if you simply DO EVERYTHING
EXXXACTLY PRECISELY OPPOSITE of HOWE you
been doin an GET RID of your dog walker.
Here's your newfHOWEND punk thug coward active
acute chronic long term incurable MENTAL CASE
matty:
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Rocky...
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I applaud you for looking for a solution with such behaviour
in a small'n'cute dog. Many don't.
To find a good trainer, ask around - your vet, owners of well
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From: Rocky (2...@rocky-dog.com)
Subject: Re: How to handle aggressive situations
Date: 2004-10-19 19:42:54 PST
Melanie L Chang said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
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Or, at the other end of the spectrum, Rocky cowers,
thinking I'm angry at him - a reason I don't "yuk out"
others' dogs at agility trials or training.
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trained dogs, and local rescues and shelters.
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bites.
Paula...
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You need to let people know not to approach him while you work on
this. A dog that bites can be ordered put down even if the human
approached and scared the dog. Let people know, and have your dog
walker let people know, that you are giving humans a wide berth for a
reason and you need to them to nonchalantly walk by without
approaching. Only work on the approach behavior with professional
help because if something goes wrong in the meantime, it could be the
end. FWIW, I had a dog who was very fear aggressive with men. I took
her to a training facility where they had all the men who worked there
work with her. They were dog savvy enough not to get bit and they
also knew exactly how to give calming signals to the dog instead of
agitating signals. People on the street can make the dog more nervous
instead of less without even realizing it. They worked with obedience
drills so that my dog learned that they were to be respected and not
attacked, but in positive ways so that the dog learned that they would
give treatsand not harsh treatment. It really helped her a lot. I
would look for a situation like that if I were you, professional
trainers who know dog aggression and are willing to work him with the
different types of people who tend to set him off in a way that is
going to make it a better experience for the dog and not inadvertently
set him back.
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Marcel Beaudoin...
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One of the old regulars here (Melanie Chang I think) solved this by keeping
a couple of small balls with her. When people would start to bend over to
pet her dog (Solo I think it was that was tweaky), she would throw them the
ball. It is instinctive to catch the ball and it would interrupt the people
trying to pet the dog.
You might consider a similar thing.
Kathleen...
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What an excellent idea. And providing a new acquaintance with a
favorite toy sounds like a great way to help him/her break the ice with
the dog.
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Seems like this is fearful agression. For now, I'm keeping him on a
leash when he meets new people. Making sure they don't lunge at him
when they meet him - and let him come to them. But it's still a
problem. Any specific training advice is greatly appreciated!
Marcel Beaudoin...
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Find a local trainer specializing in dog aggression towrds humans and
biting.
Without seeing the incidents, it is impossible for anyone in here to give
you specific advice on how to work through the problem.
For the time being, you should be able to manage the problem by preventing
the situations from occurring (short leash, letting him approach them)
which you appear to be doing. To take care of it long-term, it is a good
idea if you get professional help.
This is especially important if your dog is going to be around children...
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