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16 Jan 2006 20:02:59 -0800 rec.pets.dogs.behavior
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From: IHateToSayItButITOLDYOUSO@Inbox.Com
Subject: Re: "We're Here For The Dogs." HOWEDY who, From: who Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 06:25:02 -0500 Subject: Re: "We're Here For The Dogs." |
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WHO'S the TROLL, who???:
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From: "BarbnBeau" Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 22:38:11 -0500 Subject: PuppyWizard Thanks..for the Help! Thanks Jerry for the help.. I really appreciate it! I am posting this so others will see as well! Hi Jerry, |
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O=2EK., doesn't matter WHERE you go when
you got to get up and GO to make him follow. |
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O=2EK., but don't GIVE him the toy, ONLY use
it as a BRIEF NON PHYSICAL distraction. |
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We only got to go to another door or room
to break the growling for a moment and return. |
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FOLLOW THE TECHNIQUE.
You must always ALTERNATE the sound from that LAST INSTANCE you used it. |
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O=2EK., that seems to be the cause of the problem.
You're not following the technique precisely. |
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Right. He's probably not stopping cause you're
failing to continue from the LAST instance of distraction, OR that you're trying to physically break the behavior. |
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NO PROBLEM.
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He's sayin HOWEDY! PRAISE HIM.
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No no, no.
No. |
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Oooops!
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Then TELL HIM so
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Right.
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MUST be a blond thing!
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Naaah. I think you're just not followin the method precisely.
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Yeah. That's HOWE COME we gotta alternate
the direction the distraction comes from EVERY TIME, and the chain of events NEVER BREAKS. Always remember the LAST INSTANCE of sound distraction and use another direction NEXT time. There's other suggestions I'll have for you if you don't think THAT'S the problem. |
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Good.
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Yeah... he's talkin.
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Yeah, it's DEFINATELY a blond thing.
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FINE.
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Fine.
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I think I'd draw the line at cudling.
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Your pup should be nearly perfect nearly instantly.
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NOPE. Perhaps if you praise him in advance
he won't ask you to do stuff like take him out for a look see? |
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I think you're makin a very tiny mishandling error,
probably by not alternating the direction EVERY TIME. |
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That WILL happen if you scold him.
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That's FINE.
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They KNOW stuff.
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Sounds like he's a little hyperactive.
That'll settle down in a few more days. |
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Just let me know what he's doin and what
you're doin and we can see what's goin on and fix it nearly instantly. |
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My pleasure
TPW <{) ; ~ ) > Cheers, Barb (BarbnBeau) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 13:56:40 -0800 (PST) From: "Jerry Howe" Subject: Re: Thanks for the note...and reminder's To: "Barb E" <> HOWEDY BarbnBeau, Puppy Wizard <{) ; ~ ) > Hi Jerry, Thanks for your notes.... Pretty scary isn't it a blonde dog and a blonde owner, no wonder the little guy is confused ! Not sure what I thought I was doing re: barking and growling... sometimes I take things so literally. I thought you had mentioned humming as a deterrent? However I concentrated on repeating my little tune completely, not thinking about changing the direction of sound. OMG I have enough trouble carrying a tune never mind throwing my voice .=2E..hahaha (way too funny) So, we are going back to real noise and ALTERNATE the sound from that LAST INSTANCE. ( light bulb moment) I am NOT following the technique precisely!! duh. I agree I think he is a tad hyperactive.. but I can usually get him to calm down and breathe by "down" and "stay" with lots of praise for a period of 3 to 5 mins. then release and back to playing. ( a puppy time out lol) re: cuddling.. Beau sleeps with me and I usually sleep on my side. Once I move to my side he shuffles in closer his back slightly touching mine... I think it's his way of keeping track of me, making darn sure I don't go anywhere without him! You will be happy to hear after receiving your note, and reminder's. Sir started his barking so I went back to alternating sound and lo and behold he reacted very qui ckly and stopped. ( your right.. way too blonde) We also went down for our last pee break before bed and wouldn't you know we timed it when the newspaper man arrived, Beau gave one quick bark and he immediately stopped. Lucky me my dog is smarter than I am, the improvement is there in spite of my errors! Now that you got me back on track perhaps we will see more improvement. Thanks once again for your help, will let you know how things go. Stay warm.. (for us that means 32 degrees today) Cheers, Barb From: sighthounds & siberians Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 07:12:38 -0500 Subject: Re: PuppyWizard Thanks..for the Help! On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 22:38:11 -0500, "BarbnBeau" |
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I believe you've been told that Jerry is killfiled by the majority of regulars here. If you think his advice is valuable and enjoy dealing with him, good for you. However, reposting Jerry spew that people use a killfile to avoid tends to suggest that you're trying to annoy us, and even if you're not, it's going to get you killfiled. Let me be one of the first: PLONK. Mustang Sally HOWEDY racetrack silly, |
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The Amazing Puppy Wizard LIVES to WATCH YOUR DEAD DOGS DIE
from STRESS INDUCED AUTO-IMMUNE DIS-EASE and PSYCHOGENIC SEIZURES aka The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME, racetrack silly, you dog abusing mental case <{); ~ ) > From: Sally Hennessey Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 23:10:40 -0400 Subject: Re: Aggressive dogs at class and off-lead sessions in puppy classes |
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Probably a couple of hours. He is what GH folks call a spook
(combination of genetics and the way GH pups are raised), and unfortunately the worst part of his seizures is that he is so afraid of them. He tries to run away, which only gets him to a worse place in the house to have them, and as soon as he starts to come out of them he tries to get up and run. Judging from his reactions, he is at least partially blind when he first comes out of the seizures. It's very different from our first epileptic GH, who (I know this will sound ridiculous) didn't seem to be upset by his seizures. Last night, he was "back" within 20 minutes or so, but still wobbly and kind or wired - - you know the routine. He really has a strange seizure pattern, or non-pattern, and I know his vet doesn't think the seizures are going to stay this far apart. But hey, he's just a vet! Sally Hennessey |
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Naaah. But THIS WILL, INDEEDY:
"After Numerous Training Classes, Behavioral Consultations, And Hundreds Of Dollars In Vet Bills, I Killed My Dalmatian Several Years Ago Due To Extreme Dog-Aggressiveness." CANCERS and SEIZURES (which MOST of your own FEARFUL DEATHLY ILL DOGS GOT) are STRESS INDUCED AUTO-IMMUNE DIS-EASES aka The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME <{); ~ ) > THAT'S HOWE COME YOUR DOG HAD HER SEIZURE ON YOUR KITCHEN TABLE. SHE WAS AFRAID YOU'D CATCH AND PUNISH HER <{); ~ ) > Death Producing Ulcers: "Emotional Influences On Health & Behavior" Dr. George Von Hilsheimer Emotional Influences On Behavior Illness is directly related to depression and lack of adjustment, particularly to a new environment (Parens, McConville & Kaplan, 1966). A WIDE RANGE of PSYCHOSOMATIC or CORTICOVISCERAL DIS-EASES was surveyed by Wittkower (1965) to demonstrate the enormous importance of emotional factors in general health. Interview findings of emotional material (recently experienced hopelessness) pryor to biological examinations correctly identified 11 out of 19 with cervical cancer, and 25 of 32 who were cancer free even though psychological tests failed to discriminate these groups (Schmale & Iker, 1966) 150 lung cancer patients showed significantly constricted expression of emotions. The had fewer childhood behavior problems, and lower neuroticism score than their cancer free controls. Heavy cigarette smokers who DO NOT INHALE are more apt to have LUNG CANCER. They, too, show LOWER neuroticism scores. Among heavy cigarette smokers poor emotional expression is as highly related to cancer as urban residence and is more important than a chronic cough or an air polluted environment (Kissen, 1966). A ten year observation of all the women who developed cancer in an isolated pupulation of 2,550 showed that they tended to be unstable or sub stable personalities characterized by melancholy and extraversion, especially marked with those of an undecided body build (Hagll, 1966). Personality dynamics effect both the development of cancer and it's SITE. Cancer may result from what appears to be a failure to grow-- somatically, behaviorally and psychologically (Grinker, 1966). In 109 cases leukemia and lymphoma were associated with a number of losses or separations and with feelings of sadness, anxiety, anger or hopelessness. The PRIMARY FACTOR seems to be the shame and hopelessness of running out of psychological resources (Green, 1966). Cervical cancer patients are less emotionally responsive, more isolative, and less frequently diagnosed as having clinical neuroses than cancer free patients. There is NO CLEAR DIFFERENCE in their FEELINGS and ATTITUDES toward coitus (Rotkin, Qunk, & Couchman, 1965). Schmidt (1966) surveyed nearly 100 studies of behaviorally induced DIS-EASE in animals CONFIRMING and EXTENDING the DATA on PEOPLE. Behaviorally induced DIS-EASES tend to fall into two groups; (1) Hysteriform problems, which INCLUDE HYSTERICAL SEIZURES and FORMS of AGGRESSION as well as collective panic and epilepsies; (2) organic modifications, including functional difficulties and lesions affecting gastro intestinal, cardio vascular, respiratory, sexual, endocrine, skin, urinary, and neuro muscular systems. It is INTERESTING, and SLIGHTLY HORRIFYING, to note that the ONLY SCIENTIFIC RELEVANCE of the standard six hour school day that I have been able to detect in research is that Sawrey and Weisz quite by accident found that six hours on and six hour off of "EXECUTIVE BEHAVIOR" in monkeys was the ONLY TIME STRUCTURE that INDUCED DEATH PRODUCING ULCERS. All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. -Arthur Schopenhauer |
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LET'S NOT FORGET racetrack silly GOT A VERY LONG
POSTED CASE HISTORY OF HURTING INTIMIDATING and MURDERING DOGS FOR PLEASURE and PROFIT. "After Numerous Training Classes, Behavioral Consultations, And Hundreds Of Dollars In Vet Bills, I Killed My Dalmatian Several Years Ago Due To Extreme Dog-Aggressiveness." |
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Of curse not. You jerked and choked shocked and intimidated IT.
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OF CURSE NOT. YOU'D PREFER TO HURT INIMIDATE AND MURDER YOUR DOGS.
LIKE THIS: "After Numerous Training Classes, Behavioral Consultations, And Hundreds Of Dollars In Vet Bills, I Killed My Dalmatian Several Years Ago Due To Extreme Dog-Aggressiveness." |
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THAT'S HOWE COME YOUR DOGS ARE DYIN ON YOU.
THAT'S HOWE COME YOU MURDER SOME OF YOUR DOGS: "After Numerous Training Classes, Behavioral Consultations, And Hundreds Of Dollars In Vet Bills, I Killed My Dalmatian Several Years Ago Due To Extreme Dog-Aggressiveness." |
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OF CURSE NOT!
ON accHOWENT of EVERY THING YOU BELEIVE WOULD BE PROVEN DEAD WRONG, racetrack silly: "After Numerous Training Classes, Behavioral Consultations, And Hundreds Of Dollars In Vet Bills, I Killed My Dalmatian Several Years Ago Due To Extreme Dog-Aggressiveness." "I'll bet you don't know a thing about me. I volunteered as assistant to the euthanasia tech at our local shelter for a while, and I know a bit about overpopulation and unwanted animals. This however has nothing at all to do with responsible breeders, because responsible breeders don't contribute to that problem," Mustang Sally. Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 Subject: Re: shock collars Aside from being incredibly offensive and self- righteous, this post shows and absence of knowledge in the differences in dogs' temperaments, or perhaps a lack of ability to perceive same. The fact that you, Alison, have never met a dog to whom corrections and discomfort, even pain, were unimportant does not mean that such dogs do not exist. What it means is that you don't know as much about dogs as you think you do, and you surely don't know a damn thing about Harlan or anyone else's dog here. I had a Dalmatian that would instigate fights with one of her housemates; that dog had no fear or anything, and pain incurred during a fight meant nothing to her. I know that that dog is not unique, and I'm sure many people here can tell similar stories. The fact that you, Alison, continue to say things to people such as what you said to Theresa about causing her dog to suffer (at least I guess that's what you meant by "you cause your dog suffers" - - must be the King's English you guys talk about over there) means that you are an ignorant, arrogant, insensitive person who is not worth further notice. Sally Hennessey Nope. No more than you'd convince Patch that prongs and e-collars, in the right hands, are not intrinsically abusive; or that dogs trained properly with prongs or e-collars are not fearful, in pain, or intimidated; or that any one of us here knows our own dogs and their reactions better than someone who has never seen them or us...hmmm. I'm starting to see some similarities here. Sally Hennessey BWEEEEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHHAHHAAAA!!=AD=AD! SEE? |
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DOGS DON'T LIKE TO BE MOCKED, racetrack silly.
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THAT'S INSANE, HOWEver many EXXXPERTS YOU PAY TELL YOU SO:
"A Completely New Model Of Learning"? Naaah. Pavlov ToldUs So 100 Years Ago. Sam Corson, Pavlov's Last Student Demonstrated At UofOH Oxford, That Rehabilitation Of Hyperactive Dogs Can Easily And Readily Be Done Using TLC. Tender Loving Care Is At The Root Of The Scientific Management Of Doggies. <{) ; ~ ) > HOWEDY People! Sam Corson, Pavlov's Last Student Demonstrated At UofOH Oxford That Rehabilitation Of Hyperactive Dogs Can Easily And Readily Be Done Using TLC. Tender Loving Care Is At The Root Of TheScientific Management Of Doggies. Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 09:41:01 -0500 From: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D." Subject: "time-out" Dan, my own firm hatred of punishment has recently been intensified by meeting The Puppy Wizard, Jerry Howe, whose work with dogs is marvelous. There is a literature on harms caused by time out, and perhaps you'd like to look at http://www.dogydoright.com George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.S.H. "As Sam Corson (Pavlov's last student) demonstrated for nearly 50 years at Ohio University (Oxford, O.) there is no treatment more useful for dogs than tender loving care." George von Hilsheimer, Ph. D., F. R. S. H., Diplomate, Academy of Behavioral Medicine From: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D." Subject: Doggy advice Scott, Jerry Howe forwarded me the letter below. I'm glad that you referred negatively to Jerry's habit of CAPITALIZING and HOWEING everything. I personally hate this habit of his. I think it is his way of diluting his authority - IME he is a very modest fellow. However, contrary to your sneer, he is very competent at living with dogs. I thought I'd list a series of actions which I found on the list, folk asking advice on what to do about dogs doing this and that, for example: whining, humping, hunching, pacing, self mutilation - paw licking, side sucking, spinning, prolonged barking, barking at shadows, overstimulated barking, fighting, bullying other dogs, compulsive digging, compulsive scratching, compulsive chewing, frantic behavior, chasing light, chasing shadow, stealing food, digging in garbage can, loosing house (toilet) training. inappropriate fearfulness aggression. The thing that is fascinating to me, as an ethologist who graduated from college 50 years ago and has spent all of the intervening time working with animals (including the human animal), is that you never see any of these behaviors in wild dingoes, jackals, coyotes or wolves, you don't even see these behaviors in hyenas (who aren't dog related). You see these behaviors in human managed animals, especially animals who live with neurotic hysterical humans. As Sam Corson (Pavlov's last student) demonstrated for nearly 50 years at Ohio University (Oxford, O.) there is no treatment more useful for dogs than tender loving care. George von Hilsheimer, Ph. D., F. R. S. H., Diplomate, Academy of Behavioral Medicine |
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a completely new model of learning, which is based (in
simplest terms) on the idea that all behavior is the result of finding a way to relieve emotional tension. This is true not just for dogs but all animals. You don't believe in the validity of this particular model of learning? You don't think it makes sense? Fine, I guess. But it makes total sense to me. And it made sense to Pavlov, too, though not many people know this. "Postitive emotions arising in connection with the perfection of a skill, irrespective of its pragmatic significance at a given moment, serve as the reinforcement." IOW, emotions, not outside rewards, are what reinforces any behavior. Finn once saw a small mouse come out of a hole atthe base of a tree. Needless to say his prey instinct kicked in BIG TIME and he chased it back into the hole. This was 7 years before he died. Up until the very last time he walked through that section of the park (an hour before he went) he checked the base of that tree. He saw that mouse exactly *once*....he never saw it again. Don't we all have stories like that? Especially those of us with dogs whose prey drives are pretty intense? And there are lots of examples that may not even require the prey drive to be active, just a strong desire to do something: a dog who wants to escape from the back yard will learn how to do it once and never forget it, a dog who wants to jump on the couch or the bed doesn't need any repetitions to "reinforce" or re-learn the behavior. If something is important to a dog, he'll learn how to do it. Once he learns it, he learns it. The trick to getting him to "unlearn" it, is to give him a more emotionally satisfying replacement behavior. With Oscar and the cat, the more satisfying behavior was relating to me instead of the cat. (He's a Lab, with a strong need for social connections, so that was pretty easy.) I've been experimenting recently with Jerry Howe's method of using a sound distraction, then praising the dog, without any physical contact, for 15 seconds. My initial reaction to his technique was that it was silly to keep praising the dog that long. I mean, Jerry's a nut, right? But in every case except one, when I've followed the exercise exactly, I've seen a definite physiological change take place in the dog - - yawning or stretching have been the usual indicators -- and after only a few repetitions, the dog often relaxes, curls up, and goes to sleep! I've tried this on barking, counter-surfing, separation anxiety, even two dogs who live together and fight constantly. I was pretty amazed when I saw this little Boston give up her aggression and start to yawn! It's too early for me to be convinced that it will work every single time with every single dog, or that it will even have a lasting effect on these dogs, but so far I think that it's effective at reducing emotional tension, which, as you know, I believe that all behavior comes from the dog trying to find a way to reduce emotional tension. If you give the dog a replacement behavior that successfully reduces emotional tension, the first behavior will no longer be necessary and the dog will stop doing it. |
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RIGHT! You PREFER TO DO THIS:
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"I'll bet you don't know a thing about me.
I volunteered as assistant to the euthanasia tech at our local shelter for a while, and I know a bit about overpopulation and unwanted animals. This however has nothing at all to do with responsible breeders, because responsible breeders don't contribute to that problem," Mustang Sally. |
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RIGHT! THAT'S HOWE COME WE USE NON PHYSICAL PRAISE.
LIKE THIS: |
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It's moore than a chapter, it's a comprehensive,
total, complete, gestalt method to train all animals to any level you desire. |
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Excellent.
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My methods work faster than any others, anywhere at
any price, including the thirty five levels of medical grade static like stimulation devices and pronged spiked pinch choke collars our "experts" here love so much. |
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Good. Crates aren't inherently bad, only the way they're
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Good. I've got a lot in common with folks who are gentle
and treat animals kindly. |
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You mean the sound distraction and praise techniques.
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Yes, one of my students Paul B wrote an excellent post
recently I'll include it at the bottom. It'll explain HOWE the distraction and praise process works from his POV as an experience handler using my methods. |
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Why? That should be spontaneous and in association
with every glance towards you and every thought. |
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Oh. Patting is O.K., only not in conjunction with a
thought or command, as it will interrupt the thought process and may lock the dog's thoughts on an inappropriate idea. |
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It's called positive thigmotaxis, the opposition reflex.
Like if we're walking our dog and want to prevent him from interacting with another dog, and we pull back on the collar, that often triggers the dog to go out of control. As long as there's contact on the collar, the dog will continue his original thoughts about interacting with the passerby. Then because the dog is out of control, the handler needs to further force restraint, making communication with the dog's MIND, impossible. |
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Any time your dog is close enough to be patted is
fine to pat him, as long as we're not working with a command or thought we want him to process. |
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Yes, it's caused quite a stir here. If my methods are as
effective and fast and safe as I claim and my students confirm, that pretty much means that all of my critics are DEAD WRONG, and all's that's left for me to do is shovel some dirt over them over and let 'em push up daisies. |
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You mean LIKE THIS?:
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Fortunately, I happen to believe he is too.
I took a rescued three year old beagle that had been kept outside all of its life that didn't even recognize or respond to its name to Jerry's home (That ugly cinder block shack??? get real) and in just over one hour of working with the dog, he was coming on command (not a quickly as he does now, but still...) and walking with us on a loose lead. His "hot/cold" exercise and "come when called" command and pack exercise WORK! |
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Well, he's been near mine, and done wonders for him.
You don't have to like him. You don't have to agree with his methods, but as far as I am concerned, I've never seen any other training approach that was as fast and easy. <<<< Rest of original post deleted >>>> Ron Flanagan Orlando, Florida |