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Brittany Behavior Question
Fri, 23 Jun 2006 08:45:23 -0400
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RickPiatt...
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I was wondering if you folks could advise me - I've been researching (on the
web) all the various dog breeds and am very interested in adopting a
Brittany however one thing that just about every web site notes about the
dogs is a high energy level! Now, I would have just brushed right by this
had I seen it on one or two sites, but EVERY site mentions this !!!! I'm
looking to adopt a dog that will go for daily walks with me (30-45min per
day avg), rides in the car every day, and be an all around friend and
companion to both me and an elderly parent that lives at home with me.
Therein lies my concern - when I'm at work I'm worried that a Brittany may
be too much to handle if she gets restless from all this 'energy' they
reportedly have and may become disruptive to my mother. Now, my mother is
not an invalid, is quite mobile, and has much experience with dogs over the
years, and has recently had to put a dog down so there is a big hole in her
heart that needs filling! Everything I read about the Brittany seems to
point to a Brittany as the perfect breed - are these sites overplaying the
'energy level' of this breed? Or, would I be making a huge mistake by
adopting one for our circumstances? Hope you can help.
ceb...
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I was renting a cottage when I first got Zoe as a puppy, and my landlord
had a Brittany. He had about 10 acres that were electronically fenced,
and Katie stayed outside all day, and ran and ran and ran. And she would
play with Zoe at any opportunity, and she would wear the puppy out.
Seriously. She was the highest energy dog I have ever met.
Walks will not be enough for your dog, she will need good, long, off-
leash runs, maybe even daily. Nobody had taught Katie to fetch, but that
could be a good way to run off energy. I don't know how Brittanys do in
dog sports, but I do know that they bond very closely with their owners
and love to be with them, so I expect they would enjoy agility and such.
My landlord took his dog hunting sometimes, which she loved.
Those sites are not underestimating the Brittany energy level -- they
have more energy than Jack Russells, imo, and longer legs! They are
sweet, sweet dogs, and I think would make a great pet for you if you
figure out how to get her the exercise she will need.
Oh, and Katie was about 12 years old when I knew her. They don't slow
down as they age.
If you change your mind about the Brittany, you might want to consider an
older dog from a shelter or rescue group -- someone who loves walkies but
also loves to hang around the house, and is already housetrained and a
bit easy to handle. I recently adopted a Pomeranian from a rescue group,
and he is a great companion and is like walking a feather. Just something
to think about.
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Handsome Jack Morrison...
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I'm going to basically agree with other posters
(yes, the Brittany has a high-energy level, etc.) but take a different
tack.
All dogs have a need for exercise, mental stimulation, training, etc.
The Brittany is no worse than, say, a Lab, when it comes to energy
levels, yet the Lab can make for just a wonderful pet and personal
companion. So can the Brittany.
Human_And_Animal_Behaviour_Forensic_Sciences_Research_Laboratory...
If the Brittany meets your basic requirements, and you're willing to
walk and exercise her every day, and provide her with a modicum of
mental stimulation (obedience training, retrieving, etc.), and your
mother is willing and able to engage her from time to time in walks,
training, etc., you should do just fine with a Brittany.
You probably won't find many Brittanys at your local shelters, so you
may have to contact a regional or national Brittany rescue
organization. One thing about getting an adult Brittany, is that
you'll have a pretty good idea of what the dog's energy levels are.
Although it's sometimes hard to judge that while the dog is still in
the shelter.
You also might want to consider getting one from a responsible
breeder. Make sure that you look at the dog's parents carefully,
because they are the best judge of what kind of dog you're going to
end up with. Brittanys are like any other breed; some are more
"energetic" than others. Some may have washed out of field-training,
for example, because they lacked enough drive. A started dog like that
can make for an outstanding pet and companion, even for a novice.
So take your time and look for one that comes closest to meeting your
(and your mother's) needs. You're going to be responsible for your
decision for maybe 12+ years - so make it a good one.
diddy...
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I believe we all suggested an older brittany. They start getting sane at
Handsome Jack Morrison...
Human_And_Animal_Behaviour_Forensic_Sciences_Research_Laboratory...
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Yeah, that ADVICE is from tommy soronson of sorenson's Retriever
PUPPY MILL, aka joey finnochiarrio the HIV/AIDS activist aka DOGMAN,
the SAME lyin animal abusin anonymHOWES poster knon as DOGMAN who
was responsible for your pal Robert Crim JERKIN CHOKIN an MURDERIN
his DEAD DOG Fritz.
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Human_And_Animal_Behaviour_Forensic_Sciences_Research_Laboratory...
Human_And_Animal_Behaviour_Forensic_Sciences_Research_Laboratory...
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INDEEDY. AS STATED: "AMAZING".
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Human_And_Animal_Behaviour_Forensic_Sciences_Research_Laboratory...
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Naaah? DO TELL? That's abHOWET fifty minutes
more than she needs to be happy <{): ~ ) >
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Human_And_Animal_Behaviour_Forensic_Sciences_Research_Laboratory...
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He could train his dog not to chase
squirrels in moments, if he knew HOWE:
Subject: Chasing squirrels
From: lindalee
Date: Sat, Jan 21 2006 10:34 pm
Email: "lindalee"
I have not posted to the group for awhile but want to
share my success of teaching my dog Sunshine, who has
a very high prey drive, to not go after squirrels when
on a walk.
It took a few trials but he can now walk right
past squirrels running up a tree or in a yard.
Using Jerry Howe's approach I used a sound to get his
attention when he saw a squirrel and then praised him
and kept on walking past the squirrel.
Where we live in Michigan we lots of squirrels and
he was always wanting to chase them up a tree.
Jerry's approach of sound and praise really works.
I think the people who discount his methods have never
tried the method because it works everytine. Sometimes
it takes a little practice to get the sound from different
directions but I was able to change Sunshine's behavior in
just a week after we moved back to Michigan.
Sunshine is a very sensitive dog so any physical corrections
just won't work but using sound and praise he is a really great
dog who opens doors, picks up things I drop, and and helps me
a lot.
If you have a behavior problem with your dog get a
copy of Jerrry's manual and solve your problem!
Date: 5/22/03 11:24:35 PM Eastern
Daylight Time
From: p...@cfl.rr.com
To: Witsend...@aol.com
Well, let me tell you, your Wits' End
Dog Training Method works.
My dog, Dasie, Loves to chase chameleons
around the barbecue on the patio. I
used this system on four different occasions.
When she went out today, she looked
everywhere else but the barbecue.
Amazing, just amazing.
I will write to Amanda about the video.
I am really excited to learn more, and
understand. Maybe just a little reassurance
that I am going about it the right way.
Thanks again
Paul
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Human_And_Animal_Behaviour_Forensic_Sciences_Research_Laboratory...
Human_And_Animal_Behaviour_Forensic_Sciences_Research_Laboratory...
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BWEEEEAAHAHAHHAHHAHAAA!!!
You're askin a anonymHOWES lyin dog abusing mental
case for "WHAT'S NORMAL", rick? For tommy NORMAL
is jerkin chokin shockin an murderin dogs, rick.
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Human_And_Animal_Behaviour_Forensic_Sciences_Research_Laboratory...
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That's sheer idiocy. Any three week old puppy got
all the brains he needs to naturally want to do
ANY THING YOU ASK or HOWEtwit the cunning of the
domestic puppy dog trainer or university trained
behaviorist <{): ~ ) >
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Human_And_Animal_Behaviour_Forensic_Sciences_Research_Laboratory...
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That's ABSURD:
From: Mike (m.bidd...@ns.sympatico.ca)
Subject: Re: Info. on the puppy wizard?
Date: 2004-07-18 14:27:02 PST
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Human_And_Animal_Behaviour_Forensic_Sciences_Research_Laboratory...
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It helped clear problems from my dogs in the
field using the can penny distraction technique.
Works like a charm.
My dogs get distracted easy from their jobs ie,
retrieving or training to find lost people, oh did
I mention that I am a Search and Rescue Team
Leader.
Sorry that slipped my mind.
I have read volumes of training books and don't
know where people get that Jerry copied others
work as I have NEVER come across his methods
before. I would like to see proof.
Just like Jerry outlined I eliminated problems one
at at time as they arose. I used to try and train to
the way I wanted them but this is backward, you
train out the problems leaving what you want left over.
Funny part is the second dog who had the same
problems as the other didn't need correcting for
some of his habits after I cleared it from the first
dog.
Seemed he learned through osmosis.
Nice side benefit there.
It nearly came to giving them up to a 3rd party
trainer as they were not performing well. The
VAST majority of working dog trainers are
agressive in their actions with the dogs.
I tried it and it didn't work and guess what I
was at my "Whits End" then someone I new
turned me onto Jerry and the rest is history.
I referred friends and families to Jerry's manual
and all have had great results. Starting puppies
out on the distraction technique is especially
good because they never develop the habit.
I had my sisters dog healing, sitting and down
stay reliably at 8-9 weeks. The first night home
following Jerrys advice we ditched the crate and
put the pup on the floor beside the bed and after
2 whimpers NOT A SOUND OUT OF THAT DOG
FOR 6 HRS! first night, that has never happened
in all my days.
Sorry, the man understands dogs its that simple.
Mike
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Human_And_Animal_Behaviour_Forensic_Sciences_Research_Laboratory...
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BWEEEEEAAAHAHAHAHHAHHAAAA!!!!
From: TooCool (larrym...@hotmail.com)
The Puppy Wizard's Wits End Training Method
I have studied canine behavior and dog training for
years. I have a huge library that covers every system
of training.
The Puppy Wizard's (Jerry Howe's) Wits' End Training
Method is by far the most scientific, the most advanced,
the kindest, the quickest and the most effective training
method yet discovered.
It is not an assortment of training tips and tricks; it is
a logically consistent system. Every behavior problem
and every obedience skill is treated in the same logically
consistent manner.
Please study his manual carefully. Please endeavor to
understand the basis of his system and please follow
his directions exactly. His manual is a masterpiece.
It is dense with theory, with explanation, with detailed
descriptions about why behavior problems occur and
how their solution should be approached.
One should not pick and choose from among his methods
based upon what you personally like or dislike. His is
not a bag of tricks but a complete and integrated system
for not only training a dog but for raising a loving companion.
When I once said to Jerry that his system creates for
you the dog of your dreams, his response was that it
produces for your dog the owner of his dreams.
You see, Jerry has discovered that if you are gentle
with your dog then he will be gentle with you, if you
praise your dog every time he looks at you, then you
will become the center of your dogs world, if you use
Jerry's sound distraction with praise, then it takes
just minutes-sometimes merely seconds-to train your
dog to not misbehave (even in your absence) (Just 15
seconds this morning to train my 10 week old puppy to
lie quietly and let me clip his nails).
Using Jerry's scientific method (sound distraction /
praise / alteration / variation) it takes just minutes to
train you dog to respond to your commands.
What a pleasure it was for me to see my 6 week old
puppy running as fast has his wobbly little legs would
carry him in response to my recall command-and he
comes running every time I call no matter where we are
or what he is doing.
At ten weeks old now, my puppy never strains upon
his leash thanks to Jerry's hot & cold exercises and
his Family Pack Leadership exercises.
Jerry has discovered that if you scold your dog, if you
scream at him, if you intimidate him, if you hurt him,
if you force him then his natural response is to oppose
you.
Is Jerry a nut?
It doesn't make any difference to me whether he is or not.
It is a logical fallacy to judge a person's ideas based
upon their personality. As far as dogs are concerned, Jerry
wears his heart upon his sleeve. It touches him deeply when
he hears of trainers forcing, intimidating, scolding or
hurting dogs.
More than that, he knows that force is not effective
and that it will certainly lead to behavior problems;
sometime problems so severe that people put their
dogs down because of those problems.
I believe that it is natural for humans to want to control
their dog by force. Jerry knows this too. We have all been
at our wits' end, haven't we?
Dogs have a natural tendency to mimic. In scientific
literature it is referred to allelomimetic behavior. Dogs
respond in like kind to force; they respond in like kind
to praise.
Don't bribe your dog with treats; give him what he
wants most-your kind attention. Give him your praise.
You will be astonished at how your dog 's anxiety will
dissipate and how their behavior problems will dissipate
along with their anxiety.
Treat Jerry Howe's (The Puppy Wizard) Wits' End
Training Method as a scientific principle just as you
would the law of gravity and you will have astounding
success.
Dog behavior is just as scientific as is gravity.
If you follow Jerry's puppy rules you will get a sweet
little Magwai; if you don't you will surely get a little
gremlin (anyone see The Gremlins?).
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Handsome Jack Morrison...
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They starting getting "sane" around the time that someone starts
training them and providing them with sufficient exercise.
People like to say that Labs are nuts too, until 3-4 years of age.
Ain't true about Labs, either.
Paula...
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Labs are always nuts. That's part of their charm. Where would a lab
be without a little goofy in the mix? There are just well-behaved
Handsome Jack Morrison...
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Goofy, yes. Nuts, no.
And who would ever want "that" to go away, even if you could make it
go away???
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nuts and poorly behaved nuts depending on their training. :)
Handsome Jack Morrison...
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No!
There are well-behaved *goofballs* and poorly behaved *goofballs*
depending on their training.
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about 3-4
javagsd...
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Just an interesting aside. I'm starting to see a whole lot of KCCS
with definately NOT Cavalier temperaments. Irish imports, or offspring
of Irish imports. I was told by a couple of KCCS fanciers that the
imports have a lot of recent Brittany, like 1-2 generation recent.
Explains a lot.
Rocky...
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Timmie, the CKCS who comes here every weekday, has the
temperament I'd expect - friendly to me (though not well
socialised to many other humans) and vigorous in his play with
other dogs, even those many times larger than him.
That said, I'd like a little Brittany spirit in him (if Timmie
was mine, that is) because he's not as drivey as a spaniel
should be (IMO), nor are the other CKCSs I meet.
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Lynn K.
diddy...
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Aren't they mixing in the Brittany to combat the heart things (multiple..
since there are several heart anomalies rife in the breed)?
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diddy...
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Brittanies are wonderful dogs, but they tend to be a lot more active than
The_Insanely_Freakin_Simply_Amazing_Grand_Puppy_Wizard_...
The_Insanely_Freakin_Simply_Amazing_Grand_Puppy_Wizard_...
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That's sheer idiocy, diddler, you miserable stinkin lyin animal
murderin chronic long term incurable mental case <{) : ~ ( >
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suits me. I've seen a few younger dogs that have been exceptions. As
The_Insanely_Freakin_Simply_Amazing_Grand_Puppy_Wizard_...
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That so? Perhaps they'd been raised in a kennel where a
dog abusing mental case like yourself didn't TRAIN them?
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they age, after about age three, they tend to settle down. They are bird
The_Insanely_Freakin_Simply_Amazing_Grand_Puppy_Wizard_...
hunting dogs that are intended to work all day afield and not tire.
The_Insanely_Freakin_Simply_Amazing_Grand_Puppy_Wizard_...
They have wonderful dispositions
The_Insanely_Freakin_Simply_Amazing_Grand_Puppy_Wizard_...
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Yeah. Until a lyin dog abusing punk thug coward active
acute chronic long term incurable mental case like you
molests them <{) : ~ ( >
HOWEDY diddler,
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The_Insanely_Freakin_Simply_Amazing_Grand_Puppy_Wizard_...
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Yeah, if it's used as an AVERSIVE like your
"callin off" and jerking and choking your dog.
BWEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAAA!!!
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The_Insanely_Freakin_Simply_Amazing_Grand_Puppy_Wizard_...
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ONLY ABUSED DOGS are AFRAID of S-HOWENDS, dog lovers...
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The_Insanely_Freakin_Simply_Amazing_Grand_Puppy_Wizard_...
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BWEEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHHAHAAA!!!
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The_Insanely_Freakin_Simply_Amazing_Grand_Puppy_Wizard_...
The_Insanely_Freakin_Simply_Amazing_Grand_Puppy_Wizard_...
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RIGHT! THAT'S HOWE COME SHE WAS PARANOID.
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diddler means she was VERY SUBMISSIVE.
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The_Insanely_Freakin_Simply_Amazing_Grand_Puppy_Wizard_...
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On accHOWETN of she was PARANOID.
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The_Insanely_Freakin_Simply_Amazing_Grand_Puppy_Wizard_...
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Of curse not, not even when he RAN HOWET ON YOU right
thru your shock fence, REMEBER diddler?
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The_Insanely_Freakin_Simply_Amazing_Grand_Puppy_Wizard_...
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You mean to INTIMDIATE her, diddler?
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The_Insanely_Freakin_Simply_Amazing_Grand_Puppy_Wizard_...
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Well, no dHOWET she'll LOVE that, eh diddler?
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The_Insanely_Freakin_Simply_Amazing_Grand_Puppy_Wizard_...
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Too bad she's MISSIN HOWET on all the FUN:
I think 4 hours or so, I had put him in a supposedly
"Secure" place, while I had to leave. When I got
home, he had trashed my house. From then on,
when I left, he got put in the horse stall.
He trashed my horse stall.
He then got a new horse stall, wore a E-collar,
I electrified the perimeter of the stall and we
were finally able to contain him while we worked
on his escape problems.
Once he learned that I was more determined to
defeat him, he finally subdued. But escaping, to
him was a game.
Both of us had a throughly miserable time during
the stand off. The dog is actually now a very good
citizen. He just had to meet someone more determined,
and stubborn and willing to go the distance to do what it
took, before he would stop.
Like I said, I thought he and I were going
to grow old together.
I am not going to go into exactly where we
went before we got that accomplished.
Let's just say it was "ugly"
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