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Why Are Doggie Doors Bad?
Mon, 03 Apr 2006 16:22:12 -0500
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Ken Hall...
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We have had a doogie door with our Manchester for most of the year
we've had him. We were interested in adopting a companion, but he
rescue that has what looks like an ideal companion refuses to allow
anyone to adopt who has/uses a doggie door. I have not been able to
get a clear reason why.
AnimalBehaviorForensicSciencesResearchLaboratory...
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That's EZ, Ken. Most "shelter" / "rescues" are run by miserable
lyin dog abusing punk thug coward active acute chronic long term
incurable mental cases (many of whom post here) who jerk choke
shock bribe crate intimidate mutilate and murder innocent
defenseless dumb critters an LIE abHOWET it.
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Why do some people believe doggy doors are bad for dogs?
A Poor Shepherd Boy And His Dog At His Masters Feet...
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On accHOWENT of they don't know HOWE to train their dogs
not to jump fences dig HOWET or chew through them. You'll
notice they got NO PROBLEM for SHOCK FENCES, ken.
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scfundogs...
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Dog doors aren't bad. The issue I've seen discussed most often concerns
people whose dogs have unsupervised access to the yard..meaning when no one
is home. Dogs can jump fences, get stolen, bark and become nuisances, get
into things they shouldn't, etc when no one is home and available to
supervise.
If you confine your dog to the house when you're away from home then I
really don't see why a rescue would have a problem with that outside of the
probability that they'd feel they can't verify it. If you allow your dog
access to the outside when you're not home then that's probably the reason
they turned you down.
Ken Hall...
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No. It's stated in their policy. If you have a doggy door you cannot
A Poor Shepherd Boy And His Dog At His Masters Feet...
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Your newfHOWEND pal tara o. aka tee aka scfundogs
JUST HAPPENS to be on the board of Boxer Rescue
of N.C. She's got a VERY LONG POSTED CASE HISTORY
of HURTING INTIMDIATING MURDERING innocent defenseless
dumb critters and MENTAL ILLNESS <{): ~ ( >
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adopt from them, period.
scfundogs...
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As I offered in another part of my post the reasoning is likely that they
can't verify that people really don't allow their dogs access to dog doors
when unsupervised. Therefore a blanket policy is in place as alot of people
with dog doors install them so their dogs can go out when no one is home. I
may be wrong but that's my hunch. You might want to look at a different
rescue.
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A Poor Shepherd Boy And His Dog At His Masters Feet...
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THAT'S on accHOWENT of most shelter / rescue organizations
have lyin dog abusing punk thug coward active acute chronic
long term incurable MENTAL CASES like your newfHOWEND pal
tara o. aka tee aka scfundogs <{): ~ ) >
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A Poor Shepherd Boy And His Dog At His Masters Feet...
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HERE's a few BRIEF EXXXCERPTS frm YOUR newfHOWEND
pal tara's SUCCESS STORY in SHELTER and RESCUE:
From: Momi...@webtv.net (misty)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 14:07:14 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Re: Worried about Summer
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A Poor Shepherd Boy And His Dog At His Masters Feet...
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I thought the main components of separation anxiety were stress and
fear? Summer has been stressed out, was fearful of the crate, and
fearful of Tara's ex.
I can understand Summer's avoidance of her favorite people in this way.
If a dog has been "punished", it will act fearful, use avoidance and/or
aggressive towards whomever or whatever it perceives as the "punisher".
Perhaps Summer feels like she has been "punished" by being separated
from her pack and is fearful of further "punishment".
I interpret this from using time-outs with my kids, they hate being
sent
away from us (sent to their room).
~Misty~
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From: "Tara O."
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 22:21:22 -0400
Subject: Re: Worried about Summer
I forgot to add that she also won't go near Amie or allow
Amie to approach or touch her either so its not just me.
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I've recently been seriously considering a dog door. My dogs wouldn't be
able to use it when I'm not home nor at night but it would allow them to
come and go all they want when I'm home.
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Janet B...
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Because dogs using them means dogs without supervision outdoors, and
free access when nobody's home. Of course, that's not always the case
either. I've had dog doors which were only used when I gave access,
as a "weather block" of sorts, not having to open the door to outside.
Still, I understand the rescue's concern that the dog will have free
access when nobody is home, and inadequate supervision when you are.
Some people use them instead of really housebreaking a dog. They can
be handy once a dog is housebroken though, but I also like to know the
"bathroom" habits of my dogs - they're a big indicator of health.
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AnimalBehaviorForensicSciencesResearchLaboratory...
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That's EZ Ken. They're ignorameHOWESES who don't know HOWE
dh...
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Then please explain it without all the other poo.
dh...
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No, no. The pet door? What's bad about a pet door when
people *can* keep their dog in the yard?
dh...
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Good enough. Thanks for the input.
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TheSimplyAmazingPuppyWizard...
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Here's a other RESCUE dog lover:
HOWEDY kyler,
As a typical dog abuser who calls themself a RESCUER
we're gonna have PROBLEMS communicating. Thank you for
articulating some of the ISSUES for us to ANAL-WIZE:
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TheSimplyAmazingPuppyWizard...
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FORGET your "hypothesis" crap, kyler. We're talkin
abHOWET LIVIN CRITTERS not STATISTICS.
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TheSimplyAmazingPuppyWizard...
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That's INSANE, kyler. Dogs are SENSITIVE critters.
Dogs GET ATTACTHED to people, kyler. Dogs DO NOT
do well being switched arHOWEND between new HOWESES
with NEW PEOPLE, kyler.
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TheSimplyAmazingPuppyWizard...
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That's ABSURD, kyler. Trainin dogs an kats AIN'T LUCK.
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TheSimplyAmazingPuppyWizard...
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That's ABSURD, kyler. Trainin dogs an kats to be PALS
it EZ. Here's HOWE your PAL in RESCUE lying "I LOVE
KOEHLER" lynn trains her SHELTER dogs to LOVE kats:
"You Lying Sack Of Dung.When Have I Ever Said
Anything About Using A Prong Collar, Or Any Collar
Correction At All, To Make Dogs Friendly To House
Cats?
lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn writes about kats and dogs:
'This Article Is Something We've Put Together
For SF GSD Rescue'
From: Lynn Kosmakos (lkosma...@home.com)
Subject: Re: I have a dog he has cats
Date: 1999/11/20
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TheSimplyAmazingPuppyWizard...
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Okay - this is going to be a bit loooong - Lynn K.
"Put a prong collar with a six-foot leash on the dog. Don't
forget to put the muzzle on the dog. I think a prong works
better than a choke with less chance of injury to the dog in
this situation.
Electronics can be used to create an aversion to cats, but
should be used under the direction of a trainer who knows how
to instruct the owner in their proper use. Electronics can
take the form of shock, sonic or citronella collars. At that
time the owner will train with electronics instead of food or
whatever other reward system was being used."
8) Put a prong collar with a six-foot leash on the dog.
Don't forget to put the muzzle on the dog. I think a prong
works better than a choke with less chance of injury to the
dog in this situation. Have the dog in a sit-stay next to
you with most of the slack out of the leash and let the cat
walk through the room and up to the dog if it wishes (this is
why you have the dog muzzled). If the dog makes an
aggressive move towards the cat, it must be corrected strongly
with both your voice and the collar. This is important - the
correction must be physically very strong - not a nag. (PS:
not many dogs need to be corrected at all).
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TheSimplyAmazingPuppyWizard...
TheSimplyAmazingPuppyWizard...
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You mean pass the dog for FREE till you GET LUCKY an SELL IT.
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TheSimplyAmazingPuppyWizard...
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RIGHT. So what's your POINT ky?
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TheSimplyAmazingPuppyWizard...
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Sometimes folks hit on hard times or worse. Sometimes
dogs RUN HOWET on their abusers just like HOWE kids do
on accHOWENT of abusive advice from professional shelter
rescue foster care dog lovers:
"Granted That The Dog Who Fears Retribution
Will Adore His Owner," lying "I LOVE KOEHLER"
lynn.
lyinglynn writes to a new foster care giver:
For barking in the crate - leave the leash on and
pass it through the crate door. Attach a line to it.
When he barks, use the line for a correction.
- if necessary, go to a citronella bark collar.
Lynn K.
"Training is not confrontation" Lynn K.
"So what? Whoever said that it's right to
always not confront? We sure can try, but
a dog who knows a command and growls when
given it is certainly being confrontational".
You can't simply walk away and pretend it
didn't happen or leave it for later work in
every situation." Lynn K.
"I used to work the Kill Room as a volunteer in
one shelter.) But their ability to set their own
schedules and duties causes a great deal of
scheduling overhead.
And it takes effort and thought to ensure that
volunteers get the meaningful experience that
they work for.
Someone has to be responsible for that
Volunteer Program, and it is best done
by a non-volunteer."
Lynn K.
Lynn, looks like he got you there if these
quotes are true.
In the posts below you take responsibility for
making those calls.
In your post above, you state you do not
make those calls.
Which one is it?
WORDS OF WISDOM
from our own Lynn Kosmakos
1200mg of lithium and 50 mg of Zoloft every day
For Twenty Years
I THINK I'M QUALIFIED TO TALK ABOUT LITHIUM
"I, too, have a bi-polar mood disorder (manic-
depression) requiring 1200mg of lithium and 50
mg of Zoloft every day.
I, also, care about dogs and use this forum to
learn more, while happily sharing pertinent
information I have learned. But if I were ever
to post such sh*t, I would hope that every other
reader of this group would be rightfully outraged."
"Community is an evolutionary thing that we
earn the right to participate in by observing
the easily understood rules and contributing
to in constructive ways."
Lynn K.
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TheSimplyAmazingPuppyWizard...
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Same same for kids, ky. You got kids, ky?
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TheSimplyAmazingPuppyWizard...
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We've got PLENTY SHELTER FOSTER an RESCUE dog folks
right here abHOWETS for ya, ky.
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TheSimplyAmazingPuppyWizard...
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That's HUGELY STRESSFUL on the DOGS, kyle.
There's a HUGE difference between a RESPONSIBLE
foster shelter rescue dog care worker like we
got RIGHT HERE.
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TheSimplyAmazingPuppyWizard...
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You mean playin musical dogs bouncin them arHOWEND
from HOWES to HOWES till they GET LUCKY and STICK.
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TheSimplyAmazingPuppyWizard...
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You're blowin smoke up HOWER arses, ky.
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TheSimplyAmazingPuppyWizard...
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You mean the program where YOU GET PAID for SHELTERING
other people's PROBLEM DOGS *(who could be rehabilitated
NEARLY INSTANTLY if you KNEW HOWE and WOULDN'T NEED to be
"GIVEN UP" and foist them off on unsuspecting victims to
DEAL WITH for FREE till YOU GET LUCKY and GET RID OF IT
for a tax deductible FEE.
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TheSimplyAmazingPuppyWizard...
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Yeah. That's BRILLIANT. Kinda like "Buddy Rent A Dog Or Kat"
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TheSimplyAmazingPuppyWizard...
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HOWEspitalization is best during psychotic breaks.
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TheSimplyAmazingPuppyWizard...
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No. That's SHEER IDIOCY. HOWEver, you PROBABLY won't
mind MAKIN MORE MONEY for RESCUIN a puppy, eh ky?
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TheSimplyAmazingPuppyWizard...
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Dogs SUFFER STRESS for two or three days when
their environment changes like that. Dogs DON'T
NEED to run in a dog park or walk through garbage
bird poop chicken carcasses glass tissue and syringes.
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TheSimplyAmazingPuppyWizard...
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THAT'S CONtraWIZE to your "MISSION STATEMENT".
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TheSimplyAmazingPuppyWizard...
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You mean RENTING them for weekends summers and school vacations.
The dog will LOVE that. Then they'll pine for weeks just like
HOWE kids do, ky.
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TheSimplyAmazingPuppyWizard...
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There's a syndrome which happens to children who
have shared arrangements. They GET VICIHOWES when
they return to the primary HOWES.
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TheSimplyAmazingPuppyWizard...
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You mean drum up BUSINESS, ky?
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TheSimplyAmazingPuppyWizard...
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Yeah. That makes a good EXXXCUSE for RENTING dogs.
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TheSimplyAmazingPuppyWizard...
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You could make the dogs carry sandwich billboards.
They can say sumpthin like "Rent ME Next Weekend!"
and your phone number. If you run short on dogs you
could just PULL a couple HOWETA the local P-HOWEND.
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TheSimplyAmazingPuppyWizard...
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If your shelter is EXXXCESSIVLEY noisy it COULD BE
your dogs are TRYIN TO TELL YOU SUMPTHIN, ky.
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TheSimplyAmazingPuppyWizard...
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Here's a BETTER IDEA, ky. Get the DOG LOVERS to
do some WORK in the shelter and teach them HOWE
to pupperly handle the dogs and THEN let them
take the dog of his choice for a certain amHOWENT
of time. That'll make them FEEL appreciated. Kinda
like groomin a horse pryor to ridin, they LIKE that.
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TheSimplyAmazingPuppyWizard...
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You mean YOUR benefit, ky.
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TheSimplyAmazingPuppyWizard...
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While you COULD legally do that in some locals
you MIGHT be doin sumpthin which HARMS dogs for
your own PROFIT, ky.
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TheSimplyAmazingPuppyWizard...
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He MIGHTA offered a DISC-HOWENT if you didn't try
to beat him HOWETA the bucks for the other shots.
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TheSimplyAmazingPuppyWizard...
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Yeah. They could practice swappin dogs from the git go.
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TheSimplyAmazingPuppyWizard...
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Seems if these dogs are being SEEN by folks they
should be quite happy DOIN THAT in their own safe
kennel environment. Kenneling dogs is NOT harmful
if you DON'T MISHANDLE the dogs ky.
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TheSimplyAmazingPuppyWizard...
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What books do you recommend for trainin, ky?
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TheSimplyAmazingPuppyWizard...
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The Amazing Puppy Wizard would prefer to
see some BUCKS up front for the dog, just
as INSURANCE that they'll take the BEST care
of him they can, wouldn't you agree, ky?
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TheSimplyAmazingPuppyWizard...
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Well then, you'd have to know HOWE to handle them.
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TheSimplyAmazingPuppyWizard...
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You mean like when you throw the kid
in the pool an tell IT to swim.
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TheSimplyAmazingPuppyWizard...
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PROBLEMS are CAUSED BY MISHANDLING, not the
shorthandedness of emergency DUMP THE DOG care
providers. You could charge like mileage on em.
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TheSimplyAmazingPuppyWizard...
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With the LUCK your pals here been havin lately
you might wanna just meet at the vets for your
STRESS INDUCED AUTO-IMMUNE DIS-EASE treatments.
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TheSimplyAmazingPuppyWizard...
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The Amazing Puppy Wizard recommends suja sionnach
gwen sally kwbrown mikey ball an judy as parole staff.
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TheSimplyAmazingPuppyWizard...
TheSimplyAmazingPuppyWizard...
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Well you got all your bases covered knee deep in faerie dust, ky.
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TheSimplyAmazingPuppyWizard...
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Maybe you should talk to FRAUDreck abHOWET openin
a shock collar franchise and teachin the scouts an
4Her's an school kids HOWE to train dogs nice?
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TheSimplyAmazingPuppyWizard...
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Yeah. HOWE abHOWET sumpthin like "HOWER Community K-9's"
and you could get variHOWES specialty trained dogs imported
from far away for your customers to rent. Hiking, frisbee,
agility, herdin, even therapy dogs could be trained for rental.
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TheSimplyAmazingPuppyWizard...
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Naaah. You could call them "Puppy Faeries".
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TheSimplyAmazingPuppyWizard...
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Yeah. You could give them all faerie hats with
your phone number on it. You can always import
dogs from HOWETA state if you run shy on RESCUE
dogs, ky.
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TheSimplyAmazingPuppyWizard...
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They CAN be hard on the workin parts of a dog, ky.
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TheSimplyAmazingPuppyWizard...
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That'll be cuttin into RENTAL BUSINESS.
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TheSimplyAmazingPuppyWizard...
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You can tell them their DONATION is tax deductible.
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TheSimplyAmazingPuppyWizard...
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Only on accHOWENT of YOU COULDN'T TELL his old
owers HOWE to pupperly handle raise and train IT.
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TheSimplyAmazingPuppyWizard...
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That's sheer idiocy ky. You're the bum who wants
to play musical HOWESES with dogs till they STRIKE
a match, ky. The idea is REPULSIVE.
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TheSimplyAmazingPuppyWizard...
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For a small tax deductible donation.
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TheSimplyAmazingPuppyWizard...
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You mean like HOWE to pupperly fit a pronged
spiked pinch choke collar for those occasions
you need maximum CON-TROLL withHOWET hurtin
the dog.
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TheSimplyAmazingPuppyWizard...
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You mean do your job.
You should get yourself work hustlin business
for shelter rescue and foster organiztions.
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TheSimplyAmazingPuppyWizard...
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Right. It'll be important to weed HOWET folks
who maybe would like to ADOPT a dog but won't
if they get their needs met withHOWET obligation,
thanks to you an "Doggy Take HOWET".
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TheSimplyAmazingPuppyWizard...
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You can beg the pet shop guys for that.
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TheSimplyAmazingPuppyWizard...
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Ahhh, The Amazing Puppy Wizard shoulda read ahead.
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TheSimplyAmazingPuppyWizard...
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Yeah. You might like the good stuff.
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TheSimplyAmazingPuppyWizard...
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An EXXXCELLENT idea, kyle. You could train them
HOWE to break separation anXXXIHOWESNESS and crate
destruction whining crying barking and HOWEling.
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TheSimplyAmazingPuppyWizard...
TheSimplyAmazingPuppyWizard...
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Some of them are quite enterTRAINING.
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TheSimplyAmazingPuppyWizard...
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Doesn't medical confidentiality laws
prevent identifying these people on tv?
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TheSimplyAmazingPuppyWizard...
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After just a couple of days IT'S IRRELEVENT, ky.
The dog is ATTACHED.
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TheSimplyAmazingPuppyWizard...
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These people are GIVERS, kyler.
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TheSimplyAmazingPuppyWizard...
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Surgical sexual mutilation makes dogs FEAR AGGRESSIVE
and has NO benefit therefore is veterinary malpractice.
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TheSimplyAmazingPuppyWizard...
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NO PROBLEMO:
From: Kyler Laird
Subject: my first folding crate
Bobby repeatedly broke out of the crate (after
popping a plastic crate) and after I finally
added sufficient clips to keep it together he
started bending the bars all over so that he
could poke his nose through in various spots.
When I leave Bobby out at home we often return to "MFB".
("minty fresh Bob" - He pulls my toothpaste off the counter.)
So I typically crate him while we're gone and he's learning to
deal with it.
We still have Bobby (and he's great!) but we've added another,
Morgan.
From: l...@coastal.ecn.purdue.edu (Kyler Laird)
Subject: Re: Dog Attacks
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TheSimplyAmazingPuppyWizard...
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Apparently I'm not the only one who that "locking jaws" was only
thought to be a Bulldog trait. Pitt-bulls were also mentioned.
Perhaps the Bulldog FAQ could get a bit breed-generic and explain
that NO dog can lock its jaws. I still wouldn't expect someone
interested in APBT jaw locking to lock there, though. Perhaps it
belongs in the Assorted Topics FAQ.
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TheSimplyAmazingPuppyWizard...
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Nope. I carry safety/lock blades. The sheathed
ones are too big to be as handy as they are cumbersome.
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TheSimplyAmazingPuppyWizard...
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Hey! *That's* why the pit fighter owners always carry the big
canes in movies! (White Fang is first to come to mind as an
example.)
BTW, I'm obviously not concerned about not harming the dog.
If a strange dog attacked me, I don't think its welfare would
be high on my priority stack.
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TheSimplyAmazingPuppyWizard...
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Yes, since the jaws don't indeed lock,
I suspect that a dying dog would release.
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TheSimplyAmazingPuppyWizard...
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I'll quote you from now on. I didn't know this and I perpetuated
it. Some of my friends with two bulldogs also believed this.
I'll begin my education campaign immediately.
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TheSimplyAmazingPuppyWizard...
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The reason I did consider cutting the jaws was that my conception
of "locked jaws" included the ability for them to stay locked
without muscle involvement. If the lock had to be broken by
voluntary muscle movement (like releasing Vise Grips), killing
the dog would not do the job.
Thanks for the help, Wilf. I'm embarrassed that I've been
spreading/agreeing with falsehoods for so long.
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to pupperly handle and train dogs otheWIZE they'd teach folks
HOWE to pupperly handle and train their dogs INSTEAD of takin
them in "FOR A WEE BIT OF MONEY" and SELLIN them to guillible
ignorameHOWESES who PAY to get substandard dogs with temperament
and behavior problems.
The "shelter / rescue" BUSINESS is a revolving door
circus of errors mental illness mutilation and murder.
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AnimalBehaviorForensicSciencesResearchLaboratory...
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"Granted That The Dog Who Fears Retribution Will
Adore His Owner," lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn.
lyinglynn writes to a new foster care giver:
For barking in the crate - leave the leash on and
pass it through the crate door. Attach a line to it.
When he barks, use the line for a correction.
if necessary, go to a citronella bark collar.
Lynn K.
"Training is not confrontation,"
lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" Lynn K.
"Unfortunately, some confrontation is necessary,
just to be able to handle the dogs. For example,
we need to crate train a dog immediately because
they are usually in need of medical care and they
are in foster homes with other dogs. It's a safety
necessity," lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn
"So what? Whoever said that it's right to
always not confront? We sure can try, but
a dog who knows a command and growls when
given it is certainly being confrontational".
You can't simply walk away and pretend it
didn't happen or leave it for later work in
every situation." lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" Lynn K.
"I used to work the Kill Room as a volunteer in
one shelter.) But their ability to set their own
schedules and duties causes a great deal of
scheduling overhead.
And it takes effort and thought to ensure that
volunteers get the meaningful experience that
they work for.
Someone has to be responsible for that
Volunteer Program, and it is best done
by a non-volunteer."
Lynn K.
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