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Oh Ronna! Ronna! Come on out, wherever you are!
Fri, 13 Oct 2006 16:18:57 -0400 rec.pets.dogs.behavior
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Handsome Jack Morrison...
Handsome Jack Morrison...
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Great stuff, isn't it? :)
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Handsome Jack Morrison...
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Okay, I shouldn't have, but my curiosity got the better of me, so I
took a little stroll down AOL Moonbat Lane. And I found this little ditty over there. It was written by our old buddy, "Ronna" (aka "Dogstar") of course, but I think it really serves as a good example of the kind of veracity, ignorance and self-delusion that permeates that place. It would probably make a very fertile recruiting ground for new Scientologists. Here it is: "**Well, let me warn you. The board is dominated by some snooty breeders and trainers, some pet owners who brown nose the snooty breeders and trainer, who is a drunk and will immediately start calling you names if you even mention PR or clicker training, and will respond to every post you make to him, never stopping with the name calling :)**" Amazing stuff. So, please allow me to fisk this little piece of tripe, and also invite Ronna to reply to it. She's apparently lurking out there somewhere, eh? Maybe on the same planet where L. Ron Hubbard is thought to be lurking? 1. "The board is dominated by some snooty breeders and trainers, some pet owners who brown nose the snooty breeders and trainer" First, this "board" isn't dominated by anyone, "snotty" or otherwise. Chaos rules the day here, and that's the way most of the regulars like it. It's unruly, it's unmoderated, its downright uncivil at times, but it invites and welcomes all comers, provided they take criticism as well as they offer it. No one gets a free pass, and no topics are prohibited, provided they relate to dogs, specifically dog *behavior.* 2. "and one dude called Handsome Jack Morrison who is an old hunting Lab trainer who worships Koehler and Cesar and old style training" This one isn't really close enough to win a cigar, either. Yes, I'm an "old hunting Lab trainer," but I most certainly don't worship *any* trainer, and certainly not Koehler or Cesar Millan (who isn't even a trainer). What I do, however, is frequently defend them against scurrilous and malicious attacks (because they aren't here to defend themselves) by people with an agenda, like Ronna, who is one of the most narrow-minded, bellicose, self-righteous, and ignorant trainers I've ever encountered anywhere. Additionally, I don't worship "old style training," either. I do, however, consider myself primarily a traditional trainer, but I mostly use the e-collar these days, perhaps the most modern and humane way to train a dog that's ever been developed. Nope, there's nothing "old style" about modern e-collar training. 3. "who is a drunk" I drink 1-2 glasses of wine with my evening meal. I also drink maybe 3-4 beers on most week-ends, especially if I'm watching some game on TV. I'll have maybe a scotch and water or two at a social function. And if that makes me a drunk, well, then there must be a whole bunch of drunks in this world! 4. "calling you names if you even mention PR or clicker training" This, of course, it totally false, because I'm a *huge* proponent of positive reinforcement and clicker training. However, unlike Ronna, who's a one-trick pony if I've ever seen one, I'm also a proponent of other kinds of training, e.g. traditional training, e-collar training, etc. I'm a proponent of any kind of dog-training that most easily and effectively gets a particular dog owner, and his dog, to where he wants to go. Be that a well-mannered pet, or a retriever Field Champion, and everywhere in between. I.e., different strokes for different folks. 5. "and will respond to every post you make to him" I'm not sure why Ronna thinks this is a bad thing, but then again, my brain just doesn't work like Ronna's. Yes, I try to respond to every post that's made to me (and to some that aren't made to me), because that's what Usenet is all about, and what people generally expect when they post to me - a response. I wonder what must go through Ronna's little brain when *she* makes a post? "Gee, I hope no one responds." Apparently she prefers monologues to dialogues? Who knows. Figuring out Ronna is a lot like trying to figure out Kim Jong Il, and, trust me, we should feel really lucky that Ronna doesn't have nukes, too. 6. "never stopping with the name calling :)**" Another falsehood. I eventually stop. Moreover, I generally don't even start with the name-calling until someone else has called me a name, insulted me, lied about me, etc. Like being called a drunk by Ronna, for example. Or having her lie about my attitude regarding positive reinforcement, etc. Or that I immediately call someone names merely for mentioning the words "positive reinforcement." Treating me just like you would like to be treated will generally get you the results you're looking for. Come on Ronna, speak up! Don't make me come over there... Heh. PS: I would rather climb around in a cave in Afghanistan, armed only with a butter knife, than to ever allow someone like Ronna to get anywhere near one of *my* dogs. YMMV. PSS: If any of you other AOLers are out there lurking (Lauralyn?), feel free to dive right in and defend Ronna, but please try to do it by using facts and the truth, not just empty rhetoric, lies, distortions, etc. (a la Ronna). Otherwise you might not like the response you get. Agility...
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