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border collie or no border collie?
24 Feb 2006 06:12:56 -0800
rec.pets.dogs.behavior
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Melinda...
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I am 16 and want a Border Collie, I have done all my research and know
Kent, Connie & Scott...
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that they need alot of exercise and attention. Here are my
Kent, Connie & Scott...
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That's a lotta BUNK. The EXXXPERTS you've been "researching"
have HYPERACTIVE dogs due to their REPRESSIVE handling and
training. THAT'S HOWE COME they sez they NEED EXXXCESSIVE
EXXXORCISE.
A DOG Is A Dog;
As A KAT IS A KAT;
As A BIRDY IS A BIRDY;
As A CHILD IS A CHILD;
As A SP-HOWES IS a SP-HOWES;
As A Mass Murderer IS A Mass Murderer.
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AnimalBehaviorForensicSciencesResearchLaboratory...
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That's a lotta BUNK. The EXXXPERTS you've been "researching"
have HYPERACTIVE dogs due to their REPRESSIVE handling and
training. THAT'S HOWE COME they sez they NEED EXXXCESSIVE
EXXXORCISE.
A DOG Is A Dog;
As A KAT IS A KAT;
As A BIRDY IS A BIRDY;
As A CHILD IS A CHILD;
As A SP-HOWES IS a SP-HOWES;
As A Mass Murderer IS A Mass Murderer.
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circumstances; I have a small but very submissive dog, I walk/run at
Kent, Connie & Scott...
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ALL Critters Only Respond In
PREDICTABLE INNATE NORMAL NATURAL
INSTINCTIVE REFLEXIVE Ways;
To Situations And Circumstances Of Their Environment
Which We Create For Them.
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AnimalBehaviorForensicSciencesResearchLaboratory...
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ALL Critters Only Respond In
PREDICTABLE INNATE NORMAL NATURAL
INSTINCTIVE REFLEXIVE Ways;
To Situations And Circumstances Of Their Environment
Which We Create For Them.
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least 2 hours a day and love the dog I have, the dog I have now connot
keep up with me on my walks and I would really like to do agility and
Kent, Connie & Scott...
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Is he old or infirm? Perhaps he just needs to be CONDITIONED
to do a couple HOWERS of EXXXORCISE?
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AnimalBehaviorForensicSciencesResearchLaboratory...
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Is he old or infirm? Perhaps he just needs to be CONDITIONED
to do a couple HOWERS of EXXXORCISE?
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flyball, I tought my puppy to go down the slippery dip all by herself
as well as sit in the baby swing at the park so I know I am capable of
Kent, Connie & Scott...
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"The Methods, Principles, And Philosophy Of Behavior
Never Change,
Or They'd Not Be Scientific And Could Not Obtain
Consistent, Reliable, Fast, Effective Results
For All Handler's And All Dogs,
ALL OVER THE WHOLE WILD WORLD,
NEARLY INSTANTLY,
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training. I have spoken to breeders but they have given me the breed
standards and what they are supposed to be, so now I am asking you all
for you opinions on owning and caring for border collies and telling me
whether it would be an option of me getting one.
Janet B...
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I don't know you or your priorities, so I'm going to play devil's
advocate a bit.
Do you date? Have a part time job? Involved in school activities? Be
honest with how much time you have to devote to the dog (you may have
a ton, maybe a bit, maybe not much at all).
Do you have college plans? What will happen to the dog when you go
off to college (my father started to indulge my dog in more ways than
I thought possible!)?
Do you drive yet? Agility trials and flyball tournaments can often
mean going out of town overnight. Do you have the ability and funds
to do that? A parent who's willing to go along?
While it's hard to say, your post-college plans for living
arrangements, etc come into play as well.
You may be a very mature young woman who has this planned out, has
parents who back you up solidly, etc, or you may be wanting something
NOW that may not be possible or practical for the life of your dog.
Just things to think about - life changes a lot from 16-30.
I had *MY* dog from the age of almost 15. I left him behind when I
went to college, as it was the only choice. I also left him when I
moved to anoher state (again, no choice), although I "reclaimed" him
in 2 years, he had a stay-at-home retired "dad" and I visited often
(even though the agreement was that the dog went with me, my father
had a hard time letting go and only did so willingly when he was about
to move to FL). After I moved him, he lived with me for another 7
years. My husband married both of us ;-D. I was very lucky to have
him for 15.5 years, but my life also changed a lot over those years. I
was fortunate that I was able to provide for him all the way along.
Can you say the same will be true? If the answer is yes, there's no
reason not to have a dog who can be exactly what you want and get you
involved in some great activities.
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thank you mel xoxo
jaybyrdbird...
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why the need to get a pure bred pet? There are lots of mutts that
make great pets and will be killed if not adopted. Border Collie mix
with labs are a good one.
Kent, Connie & Scott...
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You're asking LIARS DOG ABUSERS COWARDS and ACTIVE
ACUTE CHRONIC LONG TERM INCURABLE MENTAL CASES
for advice THEY AIN'T GOT.
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Kent, Connie & Scott...
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Here's the lying dog abusing punk thug coward active acute chronic
long term incuable mental cases you're asking for advice:
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AnimalBehaviorForensicSciencesResearchLaboratory...
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You're asking LIARS DOG ABUSERS COWARDS and ACTIVE
ACUTE CHRONIC LONG TERM INCURABLE MENTAL CASES
for advice THEY AIN'T GOT.
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AnimalBehaviorForensicSciencesResearchLaboratory...
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Here's the lying dog abusing punk thug coward active acute chronic
long term incuable mental cases you're asking for advice:
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Janet B...
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why the need to criticize someone who wants a purebred pet? Guilt for
TheAmazingPuppyWizard...
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Seems the ONLY WON "CRITICIZING" is you, janet <{) ; ~ ) >
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someone else's failure or poor choice is NOT a good reason to choose a
TheAmazingPuppyWizard...
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You mean, like your training advice, janet?
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TheAmazingPuppyWizard...
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A dog is a dog, janet. We don't blame the DOG for not bein HAPPY
with the ABUSE you teach folks to do to dogs and TRY to get HOWET
callin THAT, trainin.
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TheAmazingPuppyWizard...
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What have you against takin dogs HOWETA shelters, janet?
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dog.
SOME BC/Lab mixes are great, some ok, some awful - just like any other
TheAmazingPuppyWizard...
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THAT'S INSANE, janet. You're a lying dog abusing mental case.
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TheAmazingPuppyWizard...
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That so, janet? You mean like that little DEAD DOG you "trained"
in "interested in hearing," janet?
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dog. Choosing CAREFULLY should always be priority #1.
TheAmazingPuppyWizard...
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You mean, "like any other dog," janet?
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Owner of a well-chosen mix from a shelter (who was not in danger of
being killed), a carefully chosen purebred dog, and a poorly bred
purebred puppy from a shelter, who may indeed have been killed.
TheAmazingPuppyWizard...
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HOWE many dogs have YOU MURDERED janet?
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TheAmazingPuppyWizard...
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HOWEDY janet,
Looks like you and your pals have gone totally INSANE again:
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TheAmazingPuppyWizard...
TheAmazingPuppyWizard...
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"Loop the lead (it's basically a GIANT nylon or leather
choke collar) over his snarly little head, and give him a
stern correction" --Janet Boss
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TheAmazingPuppyWizard...
TheAmazingPuppyWizard...
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clicked their heels and said:
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TheAmazingPuppyWizard...
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yes - screaming banshees are told to shut up! And I
AnimalBehaviorForensicSciencesResearchLaboratory...
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From: Rocky (2...@rocky-dog.com)
Subject: Re: How to handle aggressive situations
Date: 2004-10-19 19:42:54 PST
Melanie L Chang said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
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AnimalBehaviorForensicSciencesResearchLaboratory...
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Or, at the other end of the spectrum, Rocky cowers,
thinking I'm angry at him - a reason I don't "yuk out"
Kent, Connie & Scott...
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From: Rocky (2...@rocky-dog.com)
Subject: Re: How to handle aggressive situations
Date: 2004-10-19 19:42:54 PST
Melanie L Chang said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
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Kent, Connie & Scott...
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Or, at the other end of the spectrum, Rocky cowers,
thinking I'm angry at him - a reason I don't "yuk out"
others' dogs at agility trials or training.
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others' dogs at agility trials or training.
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always have to remind spouses that they may NOT do the
"honey - you're supposed to be doing it like THIS"......
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jaybyrdbird...
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who are you? Sounds like you're the critic here. We're talking about
a pet here not a show dog. "Choosing carefully": well there's some
shore...
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All the more reason to really think this through - ideally,
if you get the dog as a pup you'll have him/her for over a
decade. When you're young your life changes a lot from year
to year. Border Collies are extremely intense dogs compared
to dogs of other breeds. I really don't think I could live
with one, and I have seven Siberian Huskies. I've been
reading Janet's posts for a few years now and I understood
her *not* to be saying "choose the prettiest dog out there"
but "take the time to make sure that the breed is the best
suited to your personality and your lifestyle over the
expected life of the dog." And that's about as reasonable
advice as you can find.
However, if what you're looking for is a chorus of agreement
that sure, you should just go out and get the dog without
thinking about how the dog will fit into your life over the
coming decade, *wow* are you in the wrong place.
jaybyrdbird...
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never said that. Do you know how to read? Good fishing though.
shore...
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That was basically my question to you. I'm pretty unclear
on how you decided that Janet was recommending a show dog,
and frankly her advice was so completely reasonable (not to
mention mild) that it seemed to me that if you found it
offensive then you were probably looking for affirmation
rather than actual advice.
jaybyrdbird...
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You still can't read. I didn't criticize the young lady (although
you're lack of comprehension how could be considered a criticism).
shore...
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It's well within the realm of possibility that the issue
here is less my reading skills than it is your perfectly
ghastly writing.
jaybyrdbird...
Your advice sucked. Even people looking for dogs that are
"just" pets may have a particular set of criteria that are
most likely to reliably be met by a purebred dog, and
there's an unfortunate tendency for people who don't know
better to recommend mixes because they think that mixes are
necessarily more healthy (wrong) or necessarily have better
temperaments (wrong) and so on.
jaybyrdbird...
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Why do hate everyone who doesn't want all mixed breeds to die?
shore...
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Gosh, that's clever. Why did your mother have to copulate
with a possum to get knocked up?
jaybyrdbird...
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Nice! I'll keep this clever insult for later. Thanks for the white
flag.
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Robin Nuttall...
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Why do you think that someone choosing a purebred causes all mixed
breeds to die? Why do you hate everyone who wants a dog that best fits
their needs and lifestyle?
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And, by the way, getting a purebred dog doesn't at all
preclude the dog coming from rescue or a shelter.
jaybyrdbird...
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do you always start a sentence with "and"?
shore...
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About 10% of the time, I'd guess. Fairly often. People
very rarely misunderstand what I write. You should have
such writing problems.
You gave lousy advice. I'm unclear on why you think that
behaving like an asshole is going to transform it into good
advice.
jaybyrdbird...
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You're the one that does the english teacher critique and then provides
bad writing in the same post.
I ask again: why do you want all non-'pure' breeds to die? Why do you
hate all that don't agree with that? If I didn't give this advice,
then to you I "suck" (your word). Do you make money from pure breeds
in some way?
Robin Nuttall...
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Please quote me where Melinda said she wanted all non-purebred dogs to
die. I've been reading her stuff on usenet for years and funny, I have
somehow missed that from her.
Why do you feel someone choosing a purebred dog causes all mixed breed
dogs to die? The old "if you get a purebred you're depriving a mixed
breed a home" thing doesn't work. For one thing, almost all dogs in this
country HAVE a home. Almost all are born somewhere, and either have a
home with the breeder or with a family for at least some time. The
problem isn't the numbers born as much as it is people not thinking
before they get a pet then dumping them at the shelter when they get
tired of them.
Frankly, if more people would put careful thought into the type of dog
that will suit them best BEFORE getting one, including committing
themselves to the life of the dog, then there really wouldn't be much of
a shelter problem in the first place. And part of that consideration
just might mean getting a purebred instead of a mix.
jaybyrdbird...
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quote me where I said that pure breeds are bad. then we'll talk.
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Robin Nuttall...
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Do you always forget to use sentence case? Did you know that AP and
Strunks both accept the word "and" being used at the start of a
sentence, especially in information conversational style? The rule of
never starting a sentence with a preposition was outdated long ago.
jaybyrdbird...
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Arguing spelling and grammer signifies usenet surrender.
Robin Nuttall...
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In this particular reply, you started it. And Melinda wasn't arguing
spelling and grammer, or at least she was only arguing them within the
context of the fact that your writing skills are so poor that you are
pretty much incomprehensible. We can't have a conversation if one of us
(you) makes no sense at all.
Overall, I smell troll.
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Where did I say: "DO NOT GO FOR A PURE BREED DOG?" . Answer: never.
You are a skillfull troll, I must say!
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advice. Woah! Thanks!
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Marcel Beaudoin...
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If she is willing to do what it takes to get a purebred (through rescue or
a breeder) why not get one??
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