Fence Height

We're about to bring a Wheaten Terrier puppy into the family am I am

ThePuppyProphet...

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currently looking at securing our yard.

ThePuppyProphet...

You CAN'T "secure" a yard from critters entering or
escaping withHOWET substantial construction like
they use for zoos and prisons <{) ; ~ ) >

Rocky...

Securing your yard is certainly a good thing to do, but what are

ThePuppyProphet...

Yeah, but IT CAN'T BE DONE.

you securing against? It's one thing to barrier a dog from

ThePuppyProphet...

The BOOGEYMAN, matty.

ThePuppyProphet...

You KNOW that a barrier will create BARRIER FRUSTRATION SYNDROME <{) ;
~ ) >

ThePuppyProphet...

Dogs, like children, DO NOT wander off and GET LOST.

They RUN HOWET on their abusers.

wandering away, and another to stop a determined dog from
escaping.

My preference is the former: When I'm out with my dogs (and

ThePuppyProphet...

You mean, securing your yard?

other dogs which spend the day here), they have no incliniation

ThePuppyProphet...

You mean, in your DAY CARE facility for folks who CANNOT TRAIN
their dogs to STAY IN THEIR OWN HOWEses and yards, matty?

ThePuppyProphet...

On accHOWENT of YOU STAND THERE WATCHIN THEM.

to leave. Some would probably wander, or chase a cat if my
attention was diverted, but my 4' fence is enough to dissuade

ThePuppyProphet...

INDEED?

most escape scenarios. But, if I wasn't with them, it's

ThePuppyProphet...

ONLY so long as YOU STAND THERE WATCHING THEM.

ThePuppyProphet...

They'd be HISTORY, matty.

possible that they'd make an extra effort to leave.

ThePuppyProphet...

They'll ESCAPE your yard in SECONDS if you turn your
back on them and YOU KNOW IT <{) ; ~ ) >

ThePuppyProphet...

Dogs are TERRORTORIAL by INSTINCT, matty. Dogs DO NOT leave
their own pupperty if they got NO REASON to WANT to ESCAPE.

ThePuppyProphet...

For a few MOMENTS, matty.

ThePuppyProphet...

On accHOWENT of YOUR DOGS WILL ESCAPE and RUN HOWET on you.

Is your plan to leave your Wheaten alone in the yard while
you're away? I leave my personal dogs unsupervised in the yard
for short periods while I'm home but I'd never do so if I wasn't
home.

We currently have a 4 foot fence which I'm sure is fine for the puppy

ThePuppyProphet...

Dogs are TERRORTORIAL creatures by INSTINCT. You can train ANY
dog to RESPECT his terrortory NEARLY INSTANTLY if you know HOWE.
Just as a curiHOWESITY, the local horticultural society has a butterfly
garden with NO enclosure and there's ALWAYS butterflies in there!

but does anyone have any experience of how high Wheatens can jump? I

ThePuppyProphet...

A mature Wheaten could probably jump a six foot fence from
settin still or climb over or dig under any height fence if it's dig
or climbable <{) ; ~ ) >

The DOG LOVERS you're askin here abHOWETS PREFER
to shock their dogs and lock them in boxes and supervise
them so they won't ESCAPE their pupperty.

cant find any info on line other than its high!

ThePuppyProphet...

Four feet will be sufficient if you TRAIN your dog not to
want to ESCAPE his own terrortory. HOWEver, you could
TRAIN ANY dog in ten minutes to know his BHOWENDARIES
and a couple minutes of supervision and review every NHOWE
and again will remind him of it till it's HABITUATED <{) ; ~ ) >

The EXXXPERTS you're askin here abHOWETS CANNOT
PERIMETER TRAIN their own dogs despite their SHOCK
FENCES.

They'll tell you that anyWON who SEZ they CAN is a LIAR.

ThePuppyProphet...

From: Momi...@webtv.net (misty)
Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 09:29:09 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Re: Jerry, why non-physical praise?

ThePuppyProphet...

Never had a chance to try them on her... I was still
using the e-fence and chains to keep her in the yard.

The suggestions I received here to keep Peach home were:
build a fence... wasn't going to happen.. we plan on
putting a modular home here within the next few years...
put more fence at the top of the pen I used so both dogs
could play bitey face w/o tangling, and similar suggestions.

Jerry was the only one to mention border training... but he
was kook supreme ;-P So I ignored him... no killfiles with
webtv.. at that time Jerry had his own troll, somewhat like
Candace, so the group was not very conducive to learning anything.

At one point I even b*tched about Jerry.

By the time I tried out Jerry's manual Peach had already
ran away.

Not very good at the google groups search but you'll find my
first post at "runaway dog message 30" within that thread
is mention of the dogs taking off and being gone for 2 days.
I stopped posting for a bit... my middle boy was devastated
that his dog was gone... Zelda came home but not her mom.

The next few posts from me were ones about/to Jerry.

Then Jerry made the WETM accessible for webbes, I put it
in my e-mail (no storage otherwise on webby unless you put
stuff on a webpage) and read it, read it and read it.

Once I understood what the concept was, I implemented it
on Zelda. It worked and I now have a great housedog!

I only regret that my own distrust of Jerry caused me to
lose another wonderful dog. Peach was an absolute gem with
little kids. I and my boys still miss her. Sometimes I
still look to see if she came home when we get back from trips.

Maybe Peach would still have ran away... I don't know
and never will....

~misty

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From: "Jerry Howe"
Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 15:16:59 -0500
Subject: Re: Jerry, why non-physical praise?

Peach would be there sittin pretty had our pals not given
you a bum steer cause they're EMBARRASSED and AFRAID of
losing their careers and reputations....

Stick around, we're just startin to have FUN learning and
sharing...J;~)

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I don't now whether Peach is dead or alive. I do know she's
not here with us. I really can't blame anyone here for her
loss.

I'm the one who ignored your advice. I did it because of
how you write/wrote. I was unwilling to accept the idea
that my using a shock collar could have any bearing on
Peach not wanting to stay home.

Up until I started using it my main concern had been
keeping my dogs in their own yard.

Once I started using the e-fence... well, then my concern
became how to keep them from running off for days on end.

I lost valuable training time becoming embroiled in the
anti-shock debate and the "Jerry sux" tirades.

I lost one dog but I have the bestest dog in the world now

A Wits End Trained dog, one who is completely housetrained,
doesn't chew up stuff, stays in the yard, and doesn't bark all
the time.

IOW a great companion and friend.

Thanks Jerry!

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We just installed a PetSafe brand fence this Spring. Two
dogs, two collars We now have one dog and no collars.

Peach and Zelda would run thru the fence, not want to come
back in the yard and would run for days.

The last time, Peach didn't come back home.

I used the Wit's End Training Manual to learn how to train
my dog. She is now border trained. A few minutes each day
reinforces her desire to stay in the yard.

She no longer runs out into the road, I can stop her from
chasing cats and she no longer cringes when we walk around
the yard.

I can not say loud or long enough how much I hate the
e-fence and its collars. If you can't get a regular fence
then you need to train your dog.

I will never rely on an electronic collar to keep my dog
in our yard again.

The price was too high:-( ~misty

Rocky...

My parents' male Toy Poodle used to climb chainlink fence, so no
height was adequate for him. Healthy medium-sized dogs can leap

ThePuppyProphet...

You "TRAIN" dogs for "AGILITY", matty? Well matty, that SEZ
more abHOWET YOUR ATTITUDE than the dog, matty.

a 4' fence and some can get over a 6' fence after a running
leap. Then there are the dogs that choose to go underground. A

ThePuppyProphet...

Oh? You could TRAIN ANY DOG not to DIG if you knew HOWE, matty.

ThePuppyProphet...

gories.

INDEED? Hey matty? You got ANY ADVICE?

BWEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAHAHAHHAHHAAAAA!!!

ThePuppyProphet...

From: Rocky (2...@rocky-dog.com)
Subject: Re: How to handle aggressive situations
Date: 2004-10-19 19:42:54 PST

Melanie L Chang said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:

ThePuppyProphet...

Or, at the other end of the spectrum, Rocky cowers,
thinking I'm angry at him - a reason I don't "yuk out"
others' dogs at agility trials or training.

SCWT falls into both the "over the fence" and "under the fence"
categories.

Damo