Church records.

We have been told that the LDS is to make all their filmed church records
available on-line one day.

If one checks the LDS library catalogue for church records of, for example,
"England, York, Bawtry" one will see "Church Records - Indexes" included.
On selecting the indexes, one is told that they are "Parish register
printouts of Bawtry ; christenings 1813 - 1816" On selecting them and the
"Film Notes", one finds that the extracted data was printed on paper then
filmed. (Film 933459) Films may be hired and viewed at LDS FHC's.

Surely if data can be printed on paper and filmed it should be a fairly easy
task to make the same computer held information availble on line, for we
know that it will contain more data than is held in present day extracted
batches.

If one finds no indexes listed in other parish records, the data on the
films of the quoted records have no been extracted.

Hugh Watkins...

Jeff...

Yes. And they have. MOST Church Records Indexes ARE in the IGI.

In the example you quote Christenings for Bawtry are in Batch C044001
covering 1813-60

If you search the IGI inputting only the Batch No (no name) you can get
a full list.

Peter Goodey...

Is this the "I" series? Some of us have found those rather dodgy and
perhaps they ought not to be treated as being in the same classification
as the traditional extracted batches.

Geoff...

O H N O Y O U C A N N O T !

Jeff...

Yes you can. Try the very example you gave.

This is the beginning of the listing....

1. JAMES ABDEY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 06 JUL 1834 Bawtry, Yorkshire, England

2. MARY ABDEY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 17 NOV 1816 Bawtry, Yorkshire, England

3. CHARLES ABDEY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 19 SEP 1813 Bawtry, Yorkshire, England

4. CHARLES ABDY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 24 APR 1853 Bawtry, Yorkshire, England

5. ELIZABETH ABDEY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 31 AUG 1819 Bawtry, Yorkshire, England ........

Geoff...

Yes it is, but none the above names have been submitted (or as some used to
say "taken to the Temple") which is why they
are still in the extracted batch. My tenner is safe unfortunately, because
you have not shown any submitted data to be exactly the same as extracted
data (or vice versa) and you were the one to say "get a full.list".

Steven Gibbs...

What you have is a full list of those parish register entries that are
in the batch - which is not very useful. What you do not have is a
complete list of the register - even if the register was originally
extracted fully.

Jeff...

I agree. But the original complaint was that since the indexed records
are available as a computer print out why were they not searchable
online. As you say they are, with, of course, all the attendant
limitations of transcribed indexes.

Steven Gibbs...

But ... the list of those parish register entries that are in the batch
does not necessarily correspond with any other published listing of that
batch, because entries are being removed from the on-line batch, and,
clearly, they cannot be removed from a historical printout.

I suspect I'm missing your point ...

If you go to the IGI and look for John Abdey 1800 +/- 20 in Yorkshire you
will find two entries, one submitted and one extracted giving the same date
of birth/baptism but the complete data for each are not exactly the same
which is why the former has not been deleted from the batch. Look for
George Abdy christening 1810 and you'll find three entries but all are
submitted. Was one of them once in an extracted batch? You could spend
Ł2.70 to hire the Fiche (sorry: it's not on a film) of a computer printout
of the extracted data in the batch, but checking church records is the
better option in case errors had been made.

Why do not the LDS make their church record indexes showing complete
extracted batches of data available on-line?

You have missed the whole point and I am well aware of the belief you think
the truth. I use

Jeff...

I may have missed a point you'd like to have made but not the point you
did make.

very often for guidance. The only entries in the IGI which are worth even
considering seriously are
those extracted from records; but I always check the actual filmed church
documents.

Many IGI submitted entries are fairy tales perhaps and none can be verified
or disproved except by one of two methods. 1. Hire and search the films of
church records by eyeball - the preferred option, and 2. Hire and search
the film of the church records' index printout (which is hoped to be
accurate). As has been amply proved by many people, extracted batches are
becoming smaller as data are deleted, so if one wants to know what was
originally extracted, one needs to search the index printouts. If your

Jeff...

This is NOT the point you made.
If your

belief is correct, why have the LDS gone to all the trouble and expense of
printing extracted details from computer records, filming those printed
lists and making the films available for searching? If data can be
printed, nowadays they could be made available on line fairly easily.

Of course, I do not expect you to believe that batches are slowly becoming
depleted, and if you have never searched a few films of church records you
can be forgiven your ignorance, but just try finding a submitted IGI

Jeff...

I think I'd back my "ignorance" against your "knowledge" any day of the
week.

The question of batches becoming depleted is a separate issue which you
never mentioned.

entry which is exactly the same in all respects to an extracted entry.
Note my use of the word "exactly", so brain must be in "computer mode".
If your belief is correct it should be easy to find a submitted entry which
is exactly the same in all respects as an extracted entry. You will find it
cannot be done. I will "put my money where my mouth is" and promise I will
donate Ł10 (10% of my State pension once only!!) to The Salvation Army in
Newport I.W. if you or anybody can come up with some examples from the U.K.
which must numerous according to your belief.

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of the registers in welsh record offices now being foilmed
three have opted for film
the rest will be directly digitally imaged

two or three years and they should be on line and indexed

Hugh W