Missing from 1861 census

I've been searching the Ancestry 1861 census without success for Richard Lea
(c.1860) and his family. In 1851 (HO 107/2199 f36 p945) his parents William
and Isabela are living alone. In 1871 (RG10/3887 f? p10) Richard is with
his parents, an older brother Robert and younger sibs. Twenty years apart
they are living at different addresses, but all are born and living in the
Wigan area.

In 1861, Richard should be part of a family of four.

C Rihan...

There are 6 hits for Richard Lea, age 1 + or - !
on the 1861 census at the 1837online.com site, if that's any help,
and 13 results for Isabella Lea.

I gather that searching for babies on Ancestry can cause problems
because if the age is given in months, then it has been treated as
years. So if you were looking for Richard with an age of about 1 year,
it may be that he was 11 months old, but indexed as being 11 years
old.

Best wishes
C.Rihan

I have done searches in England and Wales on Lea, Lee, Leigh, Ley, Lay and
Leah. I've also tried changing the initial letter to S, I and J. I'm out
of ideas and wondered what else I could try. I'd be grateful for any
suggestions.

Hugh Watkins...

Source information: HO107/2199

Charani...

OK, something to amuse you :))

You found that one for Doc Shenley but can you find Louisa (b 1853

Steven Gibbs...

Oh no he didn't. Lots of verbiage, but only what Doc already knew.

Charani...

Should have guessed

Bath, Somerset) and Elizabeth (or Eliza) HELPS (b 1858 Bristol) in the
1861?? :))

They should be with their parents and possibly other siblings but I
can't find them. In 1881 Louisa and Elizabeth are living at 2 Philip
Street, Bristol Temple. In 1891 Elizabeth (now calling herself Eliza)
is lodging with her son, Henry, at 11 West Street, Bedminster. In
1901 they are at 12 Ayers Square, Bristol.

I don't have access to the 1871 so I don't know where they are then.

Steven Gibbs...

This looks like them in 1871, but Elizabeth is called Mary

Dwelling: 84 Temple Street
Census Place: Bristol Temple, Gloucestershire
Source: PRO Ref RG10 Piece 2520 Folio 112 Page 18
Ann HELPS W 53 F Devonshire
Rel: Head
Occ: Charwoman
Louisa HELPS U 19 F Bath
Rel: Daughter
Occ: General servant
Mary HELPS U 12 F Bristol
Rel: Daughter
Occ: Scholar

and on that basis, 1861 gives ...

Dwelling: 84 Temple Street
Census Place: Bristol Temple, Gloucestershire
Source: PRO Ref RG9 Piece 1714 Folio 29 Page 27
Thomas HELPS M 33 M Bath, Somerset
Rel: Head
Occ: Boot & shoe maker
Ann HELPS M 40 F Halburton, Devon
Rel: Wife
Occ: Boot binder
Wm HELPS 14 M Bath, Somerset
Rel: Son
Occ: Errand boy
Louisa HELPS 9 F Bath, Somerset
Rel: Daughter
Occ: Scholar
John HELPS 6 M Bath, Somerset
Rel: Son
Occ: Scholar
Jane HELPS 2 F Bristol, Somerset
Rel: Daughter

Note that Elizabeth/Mary is now Jane. Hmmm.

Of course, this may not be them at all, but there are no other obvious
candidates.

Charani...

Thank you *very* much for that, you're a real gem :))

I'm not sure why Elizabeth/Eliza becomes Mary either but the change to
Jane isn't too surprising. Elizabeth had a middle name - Jane.

HELPS is a reasonably unusual name so given that the address is the
same and the mother and one dau are the same, it's very likely the
same family.

A few more certificates to go on my Xmas list too ;))

Steven Gibbs
Bedford

Registration district: Wigan
Sub-registration district: Wigan
ED, institution, or vessel: 1jj
Folio: 945
Page: 36 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 132
GSU Number: 87208-87209

Isabela Lea abt 1828 Haigh, Lancashire, England Wife Wigan
Lancashire
Willm Lea abt 1825 Wigan, Lancashire, England Head Wigan
Lancashire JOINER

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Name: Isabela Lea
Age: 40
Estimated birth year: abt 1831
Relation: Wife
Household: View other family members
Gender: Female
Where born: Leigh, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish or Township: Wigan
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas
Town: Wigan
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address: View Image
Condition as to marriage: View Image
Education: View Image
Employment status: View Image
Occupation: View Image

Source information: RG10/3887
Registration district: Wigan
Sub-registration district: Wigan
ED, institution, or vessel: 23
Folio: 33
Page: 10 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 53
GSU Number: 842037

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Exact Search Results - 1871 England Census
Refine your search

All Census ResultsViewing 1-8 of 8

View Record Name Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Relationship Civil
Parish or Township County/Island View Image

William Lea abt 1827 Wigan, Lancashire, England Head Wigan
Lancashire JOINER
Isabela Lea abt 1831 Leigh, Lancashire, England Wife Wigan
Lancashire

Isabela Lea abt 1870 Wigan, Lancashire, England Daughter Wigan
Lancashire
Richard Lea abt 1860 Wigan, Lancashire, England Son Wigan Lancashire

Doc Shenley...

Thanks Hugh. Your 1851 and 1871 search confirms mine. You also turned up
the Westons who are on a separate page. I had missed that, and it might be
a clue to Isabela's family name.

Your 1861 record for Leigh looks a bit unlikely. Thanks for trying. Before
I finally give up on this, it would be good to get more confirmation that
the Leas were left out in 1861. Are there other ways to do this?

Robert Lea abt 1855 Wigan, Lancashire, England Son Wigan Lancashire
William Lea abt 1862 Wigan, Lancashire, England Son Wigan Lancashire

Jane Weston abt 1805 Wigan, Lancashire, England Aunt Wigan
Lancashire
Jane Weston abt 1839 Wigan, Lancashire, England Cousin Wigan Lancashire

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Name: Jane Weston
Age: 53
Estimated birth year: abt 1808
Relation: Head
Household: View other family members
Gender: Female
Where born: Wigan, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Wigan
Ecclesiatical parish: St Thomas
Town: Wigan
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address: View Image
Condition as to marriage: View Image
Education: View Image
Employment status: View Image
Occupation: View Image

Source information: RG9/2774
Registration district: Wigan
Sub-registration district: Wigan
ED, institution, or vessel: 20
Folio: 100
Page: 16 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 64
GSU Number: 543027

Exact Search Results - 1861 England Census
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All Census ResultsViewing 1-3 of 3

View Record Name Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Relationship Civil
Parish County/Island View Image

View Record Ellen Weston abt 1831 Wigan, Lancashire, England Daughter
Wigan Lancashire
View Record Jane Weston abt 1808 Wigan, Lancashire, England Head Wigan
Lancashire
View Record Jane Weston abt 1836 Wigan, Lancashire, England Daughter
Wigan Lancashire

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Exact Search Results - 1861 England Census
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All Census ResultsViewing 1-7 of 7

View Record Name Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Relationship Civil
Parish County/Island View Image

View Record Joseph Leigh abt 1797 Aspul, Lancashire, England Head
Ashton in Makerfield St Thomas Lancashire
View Record Alice Leigh abt 1798 Wigan, Lancashire, England Wife
Ashton in Makerfield St Thomas Lancashire

View Record John Leigh abt 1851 Ashton in Makerfield, Lancashire,
England Grandson Ashton in Makerfield St Thomas Lancashire

View Record Richard Leigh abt 1828 Aspul, Lancashire, England Son
Ashton in Makerfield St Thomas Lancashire
View Record Mary Leigh abt 1841 Wigan, Lancashire, England Daughter
Ashton in Makerfield St Thomas Lancashire

View Record Richard Leigh abt 1860 Ashton in Makerfield, Lancashire,
England Grandson Ashton in Makerfield St Thomas Lancashire
View Record William Leigh abt 1838 Ashton in Makerfield, Lancashire,
England Son Ashton in Makerfield St Thomas Lancashire
Source information: RG9/2786
Registration district: Wigan
Sub-registration district: Ashton in Mackerfield
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Folio: 139
Page: 44 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 203
GSU Number: 543029

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do these grand parents fit
Mary a nickname ?

an example of a damged pagein 1851 with an Isabella ???

yes i give upom 1861 too
have yougotbothethier parents

Hugh W

pilgrimsprogress...

With this marvellous help in finding this family, I wonder if anyone can
help me at all please, I've tried every way I can think of to locate the
following one. There appears to be a multitude of ways to spell the surname
as well as the forename.

My problem line is (Nathaniel) Josiah PINNEGAR b1823 Stonehouse, Glos, with
first wife Mary b1813 Plumpton, Cumberland. Children that may, or may not
be with them are Joseph b1846 Kendal, Westmorland Mary Ann b1850 Shifnal,
Shropshire & Edward b1855 Ulverstone, Lancs. There maybe other children
between Mary Ann & Edward, and this is what I am particularly trying to
establish. Josiah, as he is normally known was a railway labourer, and as
can be seen from the family of his second marriage in 1864, he moved around
a lot.

He was close to home in 1851, being in Gloucester. With his second wife and
family in Bleatarn, Westmorland, in 1871.

There is also another Josiah PINNEGAR b1820 Kings Stanley, Glos, that I'm
hunting, married to Sarah bc1821 Greenwich, who should be in Greenwich, as
they stayed put in the area, missing from 1861 & also 1871

Hope someone can manage the impossible with this lot, so I've got my fingers
crossed.

Phil Hawkins...

1871 image sent
Phil