Hackney Parish record lookup please

Any kind person out there have access to the Hackney parish records.
I'm looking for Leonard Clout born July 1917 in Hackney to Rose Emma
Clout.

Peter Goodey...

Quite a few churches to choose from in the Hackney area! There are people
who would take the job on for you - I would - but not without warning
you first about the potential length of time involved and the chances of
success (probably not high).

Jeff...

Although St John's Hackney is your best bet.

If I were you, I'd first want to be clear about whether the father
returned from the war and did the decent thing. Did the mother marry?
Were there other children? What happened to the child?

There are possibly other avenues to explore but whether it would be
worthwhile depends on the circumstances. You might just have to write it
off as 'father unknown' - not a unique situation in wartime
circumstances.

Mark...

I know that the chances of finding him are slim, but I still want to
look. I have one other avenue to search. I might exhaust that first.

Leonard Clout was my late father. He was told by his mother and
brothers that his father died a few months before he was born. I have
since found out that he died 3 years before he was born, hense he was
not his father.

My Grandmother was married and had 2 sons. Her husband contracted TB
and died in 1914. At the time he was in a local band in the Chatham
area, and my grandmother formed a relationship with another band
member and my father was born 3 years later. My grandmother died of TB
a few years after that leaving my father an orphan.

Eve McLaughlin...

It is worth trying the Petty Sessions (magistrates' court) records for
Chatham, if the child was born there, If the mother tried to get
maintenance for the baby, then there should be a record. It may be
simplest to go for the report in the local newspaper, shortly aftrth.
Only if the father paid up without prompting would this be avoided.

Eve McLaughlin...

= after the birth

Eve McLaughlin...

= after the birth

Only if the father paid up without prompting would this be avoided.

Peter Goodey...

Are you sure Hackney's the place to look? Not Chatham? Do you have

Mark...

His mother went to stay with her sister in Hackney, and returned home
afterwards Do you have

evidence that the family moved from Chatham to Hackney? (It's not unknown
for the mother to give birth elsewhere and then return to her home area).
Was the child born in an institution? Where was he brought up? Where did

Mark...

Mark...

Thanks Guys, for setting me straight about the baptism record.

I've got a few good ideas to research now! I'll look for The London
Metropolitan Archives website and see if I can organise a lookup.

Also If I can ask one further question? How do I search the Petty
Sessions (magistrates' court) records for Chatham? Are they online or
would I have to find a professional researcher in Chatham?

Charani...

I don't think they are online but you could have a look at these
sites:

Most/all record offices offer a research service for a fee which seems
to be between Ł25 and Ł35 an hour.

Cheers Mark in Oz

Mark...

Sorry, I fogot to mention that I was looking for his Baptism record.
I'm hopeing that his fathers name may be recorded there as it was left
off his birth certificate.

mlou1173...

Hi Mark.....when there is no father listed on a birth certificate, this
usually means that the child is illigitimate. You may want to look for a
marriage for Rose Emma in the next few years.

mary lou

_________________________________________________________________
Stay in touch with old friends and meet new ones with Windows Live Spaces

Charani...

If it wasn't on his birth certificate it means that he was
illegitimate. It's unlikely that his father's name would be in the
baptismal register either unless the incumbent asked who the father
was, in which case it will be noted as "x the reputed/alleged father".

The father could only be recorded on the birth certificate if he'd
gone with the mother since they weren't married. Given that the birth
was during WWI, it's quite possible that he didn't even know he was
about to be a father at all and may not have survived the war either.

Cheers
Mark in Oz

No Where was he brought up?
By his brother in Chatham.Where did

the mother die? Was she in receipt of public funds to support the family?

Mark...

Her Home in Chatham.
Was she in receipt of public funds to support the family? Unknown,
but worth a look

Was there a court case to establish paternity and screw some money out of
the father? If there was a Salvation Army connection, I don't think they

Mark...

Unknown, but again worth a look.
If there was a Salvation Army connection, I don't think they

went in for baptism as such.

Jeff...

Correct SA does not conduct baptism.

I don't expect you to know all the answers yet, just suggesting possible
research paths.

I have found that the Chatham Salvation Army Band and the Chatham Town

Eve McLaughlin...

This is likely to have been a dsciplinary matter, if it dod involve a
Salvation Army man, and will be recorded in their own branch records.

Eve McLaughlin...

This is likely to have been a dsciplinary matter, if it dod involve a
Salvation Army man, and will be recorded in their own branch records.

Band were active in the area at that time and I'm busy trying to
locate anyone that may have membership lists from that time. The
Salvation Army is being very helpful. There may have been other bands
in the area, but I haven't found mention of them yet.

The only reason that I was going to check the Parish records was that
I was told that a church would not Baptise you unless you could
produce a fathers name? Am I mistaken in this???

Eve McLaughlin...

Quite mistaken

Eve McLaughlin...

Quite mistaken

myths...

Yes. Knowledge of the father's identity was and is unnecessary.

I have also seen many entries (in the Ecclestiastical Returns from
India, late 18C) where the fathers' names are given, but no indication
of of the mothers. (Presumably they were not Christian.)

Jeff...

That presumption might well be true for your Indian example, but, not
unknown for some English Registers only to mention father not mother
(for all entries in a given period)

myths...

Sorry - yes. . What I meant to write was that I have seen many
entries (in the Ecclestiastical Returns from India, late 18C) for
illegitimate children where the fathers' names are given, but no
indication of the mothers' names.

And even in early parish registers there is an occasional entry for a
child for whom the names of both parents are unknown.

Jeff...

I'm afraid so. In some cases they may have put pressure on to name
father but if not on birth registration it is unlikely.

But, I'd say it is worth a try.

The London Metropolitan Archives would do a lookup for a modest fee. Not
a huge task if you know date of birth. I'd suggest searching forwards
six months (although, of course, a baptism could take place any time.

Cheers Mark in Oz