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will correct Ida claim to be mother of him?
Mon, 30 Jan 2006 01:55:46 +0000 (UTC)
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dsam...
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Who is real mother of Hugh Bigod, born about 1185, died
Feb 1224/1225, son of Roger Bigod, who died bef 2 Aug 1221
Chris Phillips...
Hugh (1185), wife Maud Marshal, parents of isabel Bigod, wife of John
Fitz Geoffrey
who is the real mother?
Tim Powys-Lybbe...
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Ida. Anything more is speculation, though she is now known to be, ex
inform Ray Phair, the mother also of William Longspee.
Chris Phillips...
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Though as Linda Jack pointed out in September 2005, there is record evidence
to support the old identification of her as a Tony, which is mentioned in
Marc Morris's recent book, "The Bigod Earls of Norfolk in the Thirteenth
Century" (Boydell, 2005). No explicit evidence of her parentage, though.
Chris Phillips
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Ida de Toeni (Tony, Toni), born about 1152, dau of Ralph de Toeni and
Margaret de Beaumont, concubine of Henry II Curtmantle, King of England
or
Ida (Isabel) de Planatagent, dau of Hamelin Plantagent and Isabel de Warenne
???
Sooner these are cleared up with evidentary statements, the better it is
for all of us.
Tim Powys-Lybbe...
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This is the fun and the challenge of medieval, and indeed all genealogy,
that of finding the best evidence you can. But you have to define your
personal standards. Will you accept the evidence of the likes of an
internet site, or of Burke's volumes, or of the likes of CP, or the
compendiums of abstracts of surviving documents? Or do you really want
to get, at the very least, a photocopy of relevant documents for
yourself?
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W. David Samuelsen
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