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Thursday, 19 January, 2006

Hello All,

The ongoing discussion re: Niall of the Nine Hostages, DNA, & c.
brings up the matter of specific documented (vs. alleged) descents
from the early Irish kings. One such descent is given below, that of
Aoife (or Eva), wife of William Marshall and daughter of Diarmaid mac
Murchada [aka 'Dermot MacMurrough'] from D=FAnlaing, traditional

mvernonconnolly...

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Amazing work John- as always.

As this sprang from the DNA discussions, it forcibly reminded me of the
strange fact that my de facto sister-in-law is matrilineally, ergo
mitochondrially, descended from Eva of Leinster; and if there is one

Doug McDonald...

very interesting: if she gets DNA sequenced, she will probably
win the oldest mtDNA sweekstakes, as at least in my files
the maternal line goes back two more generations from Eve of Leinster

Doug McDonald

such descent there are presumably many, many more. I say 'strange'
because it's been observed how a lot of these matrilineal lines
(including my own) tend to obscurity after fairly few generations- eg

John Brandon...

I wonder if some of the 'regulars' would be willing to comment on their
own matrilineal/ mitochondrial line. I find the topic very
interesting. As I mentioned last May, my earliest known matrilineal
ancestor was Agnes, daughter of the Revd John Hart, minister of
Taughboyne, co. Donegal, Ireland (fl. late 1600s).

mvernonconnolly...

That's a lot better than my line, which currently terminates with one
Ann MacIver, who was alive- and fertile- in Dingwall (Scotland) in
1814. Unfortunately, certain name combinations are very common in the
Highlands so it may be difficult going any further; I have another
ancestor of the same name in the next generation, for instance.

QE II and Diana's; my sis-in-law isn't herself titled, but the lineage
only rarely strays from CP, and the 'paper-trail' seems sound. Whether
this will prove to be of use one day who knows- fortunately she has a
daughter of her own, who in turn has two daughters, so this particular
strand is continuing.

ancestor of ancestor of the U=ED D=FAnlainge of Leinster. The reasons
for commencing the record with D=FAnlaing are shown under his name in
the pedigree.

A number of interesting individuals are included in this
particular lineage, including Gormlaith ingen Murchada
[1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1a], 3rd wife of Brian Boru and a
central figure in the history leading to Clontarf (1014). Besides
the Marshal descent as shown, she is also the ancestress of Llywelyn
ap Iorwerth, the well-known Welsh prince, by her son Sigtryggr
'Silky-Beard'.

As indicated, a number of sources have been used: I refer anyone
of the list with an interest in the matter to see the archives for
the messages and threads indicated (primarily the contributions of
Stewart Baldwin). The chronology that can be ascertained is not
problematic: from F=E1el=E1n mac Colm=E1in [d. 666, see #1.1.1.1.1.1] to
Aoife [d. ca. 1189] there is a span of 17 generations over approx.
523 years (birth dates not being available for a better count). The
average generation for this period is 30.7 years, which appears
reasonable - especially as the line is primarily male.

Please note also: this is only one of a number of lines tracing
back to the 6th century. Depending on the interest shown, others may
be produced for review.

Cheers,

John *

1 D=FAnlaing

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