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Re: More Kinsfolk: Agnes, Countess of Braine's kinsman,



Tue, 31 Oct 2006 17:56:47 EST soc.genealogy.medieval
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Jwc1870...
Agnes de Baudemont was heiress to the county (seigneurity?) of
Braine-sur-Vesle, also of Pontarcy, Savigny, Quincy-en-Tardenoids, Fere-en- Tardenois,
Longueville and Nesle also her grandfather Andre was Seneschal of Champagne, which
however appears to have gone to Alice a daughter by a wife of an earlier
marriage than Agnes of Braine-sur-Vesle. Alice married Erard I de Brienne and had
a daughter Felicite who married Hugues de Broyes and 2nd Geoffrey III de
Joinville who took the title of Senechal of Champagne.
Andre de Montdidier was the son of Hilduin de Montdidier, Comte de Roucy and
also known as Sire de Ramerupt.
See Burke`s Peerage 106th Edition (1999) p 226
Note: Gui II de Chatillon married Adelaide, daughter of Robert I, Count of
Dreux by his 2nd wife Havise d`Evereux and had by her a daughter Adele who
married Guillaume IV de Garlande, Sire de Livry,Great grandson of Guillaume I,
Seneschal of France (see also Genealogics.org)

Peter Stewart...
I have no idea what is in Burke's 106th edition, but there is confusion of
two different lineages in the welter above.

André, seigneur of Baudement [NB not Baudemont] (died July 1142) was married
to a widow named Agnès, of unknown family, and had several children
including his successor Guy (married only once as far as is known, father of
Agnes, dame of Braine-sur-Vesle, the second wife of Robert I of Dreux) and a
daughter Humbelina, wife of Gautier II of Brienne, the son & heir of Erard I
by Alix (called "de Rosnay"), dame of Ramerupt. The last named was daughter
of André I, count of Ramerupt & Arcis, a younger brother of Ebles II, count
of Roucy - and not the same man as his contemporary & namesake the seigneur
of Baudement.

Erard I de Brienne's daughter Félicité married first Simon I, seigneur of
Broyes (not Hugues), and secondly Geoffrey III of Joinviulle as noted
above.

Guy II, seigneur of Châtillon married, as her second husband Adela (aka
Alix), daughter of Robert I who was called count as a personal title but
only seigneur of Dreux, and was by his first (not second) wife Hawise (aka
Amicia), daughter of Walter de Saresbury, sheriff of Wiltshire.

Peter Stewart
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