Children of Agnes of Germany, dau of Emperor Henry IV

Peter Stewart...

Deduction - she was born in 1072/3 and married for the second time in 1106.

Mississippienne...

Ah, I thought you were implying there was a chronicle that stated she
was in her 34th year on her second wedding day.

Peter Stewart...

There is a smigeon less doubt over this than would be the case if a
chronicle did in fact write she was in her 34th year (although there may be
such a statement for all I know).

Medieval monks were erratic in their counting of years, often approximating
vaguely or confusing ordinal & cardinal numbering. On the other hand we know
the AD of her second marriage (1106) and we know that she was born between
one brother who was born at the beginning of August 1071 and another who was
born on 12 February 1074, ergo in 1072/3. Arithmetic does the rest, as
securely as any chronicler. Explicit sources account for much but not all of
our knowledge concerning medieval people, especially those whose families
were as prominent as that of the Salian emperors.

Peter Stewart

Mississippienne...

I see. The brother that was born in August 1071 -- that would be Henry,
who died in infancy, correct? Conrad was born in 1074, and the future
Henry V in 1081. There was another child who died in infancy, Adelaide,
who I presume was born between Conrad and Henry V.

Peter Stewart

What is the true listing (with sources, please!) of the children of

Peter Stewart...

Henry was born on 1 or 2 August & died on 24 September 1071. He was not the
first child of his mother.

Konrad was born on 12 February 1074 and then there was not another child
until Henry V.

This leaves either Adelaide or Agnes to be born in the interval 1072/3.
Agnes is far more likely to have been the younger of the two, given the
number of children she had after 1106. Some authorities state unequivocally
that Adelaide was born in 1070, but I haven't noted (or looked into) the
source for this.

Peter Stewart

Agnes of Germany, daughter of Emperor Henry IV? She married twice, and
I know she had the following offspring:

By Frederick I, Duke of Swabia:

1. Frederick II of Swabia
2. Conrad III of Germany

By Leopold III of Austria:

3. Otto of Freising, the chronicler
4. Judith of Austria, married William V of Montferrat
5. Agnes of Austria, married Wladyslaw II of Poland