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DNA - Can you enlighten?
Mon, 16 Jan 2006 21:59:41 +0000 (UTC)
soc.genealogy.medieval
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leovdpas...
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Dear Todd,
Like many, DNA is a very mysterious world to me. The discussion at the moment is very interesting. There is one aspect I wonder about, but more wonder whether I am wrong.
A person gets 50% of DNA from his/her father and 50% from his/her mother.
Todd A. Farmerie...
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With the exception of the X and Y chromosomes and mtDNA, yes.
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Now that 50% from the father, where did that come from? Does he pass on half of _his_ father and half of _his_ mother? So that the grandchild would have 25% from each grandparent?
Todd A. Farmerie...
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Each chromosome pair remixes with each generation, so _statistically_
25% comes from each grandparent, compared to _exactly_ 50% (one of the
pair of chromosomes) coming from each parent.
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I read somewhere that a person could have an ancestor, many generations ago, and not have any DNA from that ancestor, is that correct?
Todd A. Farmerie...
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Absolutely. With each generation the amount from each ancestor is
divided by (statistically) 1/2. You have about 3,000,000,000 base pairs
in your DNA. Even were it to be exactly 50% and the DNA could actually
be subdivided with single-nucleotide resolution (both of these
assumptions are invalid, but for the sake of argument . . . ), by 32
generations you would have 4,000,000,000 ancestors, and some could not
possibly be represented. In fact, the point is reached much earlier,
because it is not exactly 50%, but statistically 50% and some lineage
will have drawn the short straw, and further, some regions of the DNA
are more prone to recombination than others, so you do not really have
nucleotide-level resolution in this redivision process. (Keep in mind,
too, that most [greater than 99.9%] of this DNA is identical among all
humans, so who it came from is rather immaterial.)
With the mtDNA, all of it comes from the maternal line. (There are a
few documented cases of paternal inheritance, but these are extremely
rare, and there has been no observed mixing of maternal and paternal -
just all or nothing). The Y is (virtually) entirely male-line derived
(an extremely small portion, usually ignored in such discussions, mixes
with a similar portion of the X, just like discussed above).
As to the X, a male gets his entirely from his mother, a female gets one
from each. This means that of a womans Xs, one is a statistical 50/50
mix from her maternal grandparents, while the other is 100% from her
paternal grandmother (the paternal grandfather passed his Y to the
father, and no X comes from him [except for the small portion that can
remix with the Y]). Thus the patralineal line, as well as any line with
two successive males, contribute nothing to the X. Other lines
contribute an amount reduced by 50% (statistically) for each maternal
generation (not reduced for each paternal generation), such that the
matralineal line, the lowest of those represented is simply 1/2
multiplied by itself for the number of generations involved, while the
highest represented lineage is one that alternates
male-female-male-female, and the X contribution is 1/2 times itself for
half the number of generations. THus:
For most DNA, where z - the percent contribution and n - the number of
generations, it is:
z=(1/2)^n * 100%
For the X, where m - the number of female generations:
z=(1/2)^m * 100% OR z=0 when two or more successive males occur
For the matrilineal line, m=n:
z=(1/2)^n * 100%
for the alternating line, m=n/2:
z=(1/2)^n/2 * 100%
(you asked . . . .)
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I think, I am not the only one wondering about this.
Look forward to hearing from you.
Leo van de Pas
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