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Italian Savoy muddle in ES
Thu, 14 Dec 2006 12:04:14 +1100
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Leo van de Pas...
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ES Volume II Tafel 191
Here is shown Philippe in right of his first wife Prince of Achaia and =
Morea
he married (1) 2February 1301 Isabelle de Villehardouin, Princess of =
Achaia and Morea, she was born about 1263 and died 23 January 1312
he married (2) after 7 May 1312 Catherine de La Tour du Pin
by his first wife are given the following children
1.a daughter who marries in 1306 -------------aged five!!
Peter Stewart...
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The bridegroom was aged 10.
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2.Maria born in 1301------------------------------does this mean Maria =
and child 1 were twins?
Peter Stewart...
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I don't know the basis for placing the unnamed daughter's birth in 1301, or
whether she may have been the same as Maria who was born in November or
December of that year, following her parents' marriage at the beginning of
February.
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3.Margareta born in 1303
4.Isabella
5.Alice-----married in 1325
Peter Stewart...
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Not necessarily _in_ 1325, we only know that she was married by14 December
of that year.
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6.Jacques/Jacob born 6/16 January 1315---------------born three years =
after his mother died
Peter Stewart...
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No, this is apparently a misprint for 6/16 January 1305. He was certainly
son of Isabelled de Viullehardouin, becoming prince of Achaia and passing on
this title to three of his sons in turn.
Peter Stewart...
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My apologies to Leo and others, I was wrong about this and 1315 is the
correct year. Although Giacomo of Savoy's title as prince of Achaia was
acknowledged to come from his mother, she was his father's second wife
Catherine de la Tour du Pin of Vienne, not the first wife Isabelle (Zampea)
of Villehardouin.
In a complicated fix, the title of princess of Achaia was trasnferred by
Philibert of Savoy to his second wife - this failed to settle the matter, of
course, and the title was assumed also by Isabelle's daughter from a
previous marriage, Mathilde d'Avesnes of Hainaut.
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7.Amadeus Bishop of Lausanne
Peter Stewart...
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He was a younger (most probably second) son of the second marriage.
Peter Stewart...
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So Amadeus was probably the third, not second, son of the second marriage.
Peter Stewart
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Peter Stewart
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by the second wife there are several children.
If child 5. Alice was born about 1307 she was about 18 when she married.
To me it looks as though child 6 and 7 are both by the second wife. Can =
anyone confirm this?
With many thanks.
Leo van de Pas
Canberra, Australia
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