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Re: The dating and authenticity of Roger of Poitou's third charter
Tue, 13 Dec 2005 19:13:58 +0000 (UTC) soc.genealogy.medieval
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In a message dated 12/13/2005 12:26:59 PM Eastern Standard Time,
Ms. Thompson has made several claims in her article as to her dating procedures and comparison of the various charters. I suspect her methodology is flawed. Having seen Mr. Farrer's and Mr. Brownbill's comments, I am even more suspicious now. You should be as well. I'm not aware that Ms. Thompson saw any original charters as you state. All she saw were REGISTERED copies, as follows: Charter No. 1 is taken from Livre Blanc de Saint - Martin de Sees, f. 03v. Charter No. 2 is taken from Livre Blanc de Saint - Martin de Sees, f. 04r. Charter No. 3 is taken from Livre Blanc de Saint - Martin de Sees, f. 09r and from the Register of the Prior of St. Mary of Lancaster, f. 1. If you need to see the original or a good facsimile of a charter to authenticate it (as you say), then Ms. Thompson would be unable to date anything she saw. I remind you: These are your own words. The Livre Blanc of St. Martin of Sees dates from the 14th Century and the Lancaster Register dates from the 15th Century, both LONG after the original donations. And, If we are unable to authenticate such documents, then Ms. Thompson has done nothing but confuse you. Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah Dear Doug, The article is not confusing. I made a mistake as I am reseraching a similar situation at Durham Priory. I confused another historians methodology with Kathleen Thompson. I stand corrected that Kathleen Thompson did not see the original charters. Douglas Richardson...
She dates MSS. C to 1130-1150 when the dispute was going on with Shrewsbury Abbey over two pieces of land that were included in MSS. C. She based her analysis on the additional provisons in each copy and the changing witnesses. This discussion is useless however as the fact that the foundation charter was modified by adding both additional land and witnesses makes MSS. C invalid as evidence. |