Re: William de Fresney, father-in-law of Robert Aguillon

Friday, 22 September, 2006

Dear Michael, John et al.,

The de Fresney (de Fraxino) family was probably fairly
widespread in England (as well as in France) in the early
13th century. There was an Odo 'Rufus' de Fraxineto who
witnessed a charter of William I, ca. 1080 (Bates, RRAN p.
802), and several individuals of that name for whom quite a
bit of research may lead to connections.

I did note one in the Hundred Rolls that William de
Fraxino, and Reynold (a brother, or father ?) having made
gifts to the abbey of Biddlesdon (Bucks.) of lands in
Thornborough, Bucks. before 1278:

' Again the same abbot holds of the gift of Roger
Foliot a half hide and a virgate, and Roger himself held
of Reynold de Fraxino, and Reynold held of John son of
Alan, and he of the lord the King in chief.
' Againk the same abbot holds of the gift of William
de Fraxino and his ancestors a hide of land, and they held
of John son of Alan, and he of the lord the King in
chief. ' [1]

Matt Tompkins...

There is a pedigree of this family (de Freyne, Fraxino of Thornborough,
Bucks) in GR Elvey (ed.), Luffield Priory Charters, Pt II,
Buckinghamshire and Northamptonshire Record Societies (1975), p.
lxxiii, along some comments on them in the Introduction and the texts
of a number of documents referring to them.

The pedigree starts with Henry del Freine, fl. 1166, and passes through
Hugh, William (d. 1232), Reginald (d. 1253), William, Ralph and ends
with Henry and Richard, brothers, fl. 1329. The occasional wife and
sibling are added.

mjcar...

Thanks Matt - good find! This seems to show that we can say that
William de Fresney, father of Idonea and Margery, is a different person
to William de Fresney of Thornborough (d 1232), as the latter left a
son and remoter male issue.

Regards, Michael

Matt Tompkins

I should also note, re: Duncan de Lascelles and his wife
Christiana, she was evidently misidentified by Dugdale. She
was a daughter and coheir of Waldeve fitz Gospatric, of
Bolton and Bassenthwaite: her lands included Bassenthwaite
and Bolton, co. Cumbs. [cf. SP III:245]

Chronologically, there is some potential here. Duncan
de Lasceles did live in the early 13th century, as shown in
the following extract from Bain:

' 379. Cumberland:- Roger de Lasci, constable of Chester
(Walter Marshall for him) renders his account. New
oblations:- Duncan de Laceles accounts for 2 marks, as
it was recognosced that he arrained from the last
presentation of the church of Boultona, taken before
Roger constable of Chester at Carlisle. He has
delivered into the Treasury 1 mark, and he owes
1 mark. ' [2]

This could be very interesting indeed....

Cheers,

John

NOTES

[1] Bland, English Economic History: Select Documents,
p. 29 (cites Rotuli Hundredorum, II, 350).
See the text at
pg=RA1-PA29&dq=fraxino&ie=ISO-8859-1

[2] Bain, Cal. Docs. Scotland I:63, cites Pipe Roll 7 John,
Rot. 25.