Re: Agnes Dunbar again

I just noticed that in my database I have
Agnes Dunbar d bef 1377
married to Patrick Hepburn, Lord of Hailes (in 1367) d aft 22 Jun 1402
This Agnes I have as dau to Patrick, 10th Earl Dunbar d 11 Nov 1368 and Agnes
Randolph, Countess of Moray 1346-
This Patrick then I have as a son to Patrick, 9th Earl Dunbar d 1320/4 and
Ermengarde de Soulis

In contrast to all of that
I have a brother to this last Patrick, named Alexader of Dunbar d 1336
who has a son Sir Patrick of Dunbar d 1356/7 who married "Isabel" Randolph
and among others had a dau Agnes Dunbar d bef 1377
who married Sir James Douglas of Dalkeith d 1420

Tim Powys-Lybbe...

Scots Peerage is the cavalry to the rescue. Vol 3, pp. 250 to 270 or so and
Vol 6, pp. 291-4.

Patrick Hepburn m. an Agnes but she was not a Dunbar.

Patrick Dunbar, 7th earl m. Cecilia and had
Their 1st son Patrick Dunbar, 8th earl, m. a Comyn dau.
Their 3rd son was Alexander who was not an earl.
Alexander had a son Patrick who m. Isabella Randolph, heiress of the
Morays but not, I believe, Countess.
Alexander and Isabella had several sons of whom 1st, George, who was
10th earl of Dunbar and 2nd, John, was earl of Moray. They also had
a dau Anes who m. James Douglas and they were ancestors of the Morton
earls.
Patrick and the Comyn dau. had a son Patrick who was 9th earl. he m.
Agnes Randolf but they had no children.

Agnes Randolph, Countess of Moray (from 1346) had at least three children
Patrick d s p
John d s p
and Agnes married Patrick Hepburn and I suppose but don't know for sure d s p
as well
so that the Earldom of Moray passes to the second son of her sister Isabel ?

Tim Powys-Lybbe...

This may have come from the Moray article in SP which looks very odd by
the side of the Dunbar article.

Why wouldn't Moray pass to the eldest son George, 10th Earl of Dunbar ?
I presume he was the eldest since he obtained the earldom of Dunbar in 1368

Tim Powys-Lybbe...

Correct but he was already earl of March so three earldoms would be a
few too many belts and swords to carry around with him.

I must admit that I found a few blanks in my records as the Moray
article is a bit vague in SP but the Dunbar article sorts it out.

Will Johnson