Louis VI to Charlemagne Fw: Capetien from Charlemagne

Charlemagne
/
Louis I the Pious
/
Charles the Bald
/
Judith
/
Baudouin II of Flanders
/
Arnulf I of Flanders
/
Hildegard of Flanders
/
Arnulf of Holland

Peter Stewart...

The undisputed line does not carry through to this link - Hildegard is not
proved by direct evidence to belong to the comital family of Flanders, this
is only a conjecture based on her sons given the names Arnulf and Egbert
that occur in Flanders for her putative father Count Arnulf I and one of his
younger sons Egbert (who died before Egbert of Holland was born). If this
is right, Hildegard can only have been a half-sister of Egbert of Flanders,
as his mother Adela of Vermandois was not married to Arnulf I until late in
934 whereas Hildegard was married by ca 945 at the latest. No earlier wife
of Arnulf I, who could have been her mother, is recorded.

/
Dirk III of Holland
/
Floris I of Holland
/
Bertha of Holland
/
Louis VI King of France

I hope this line holds. I did a quick cjeck and in the ancestor list of
Louis VI,
Charlemagne appears as nrs.3144, 3248, 4752, 4848 and 13036

Peter Stewart...

Can you set out these other lines as well?

Peter Stewart

Fred Chalfant...

Here are 3 lines from Genealogics. I don't know how they match with the
numbers, but hopefully at least one is good.

Fred Chalfant

1-

Charlemagne
/
Louis I the Pious
/
Charles the Bald
/
Louis II the Stammerer
/
Ermentrud
/
Kunegund
/
Siegried of Luxemburg

Peter Stewart...

There is dispute about this relationship (although it seems sound enough to
me), so that it doesn't quite meet the standard requested by Roger.

/
Liutgard of Luxemburg
/
Dirk III of Holland
/
Floris I of Holland
/
Bertha of Holland
/
Louis VI of France

2-

Charlemagne
/
Louis I the Pious
/
Lothar I
/
Lothar II King of Lorraine
/
Bertha of Lorraine
/
Teutberga of Arles
/
Teutberga of Troyes

Peter Stewart...

This connection for Teutberga, the wife of Charles Constantin of Vienne, is
not a proven fact - the next link is even less so (see below).

/
Constance of Provence
/
Guillaume II 'le Liberateur' of Arles and Provence
/
Constance of Provence
/
Henri I King of France

3-

Charlemagne
/
Louis I the Pious
/
Lothar I
/
Ludwig II
/
Ermengard of Italy
/
Louis III KIng of Lower Burgundy and Italy
/
Karl Konstantin of Vienne
/
Constance of Provence

Peter Stewart...

The mother of Guillaume II of Provence was named Constantia but her supposed
ancestry is merely conjecture (not at all persuasive to me) based on the
similarity of her name to Constantinus that some sources apply to Louis
III's son Charles, for unknown reason/s.

However, the name Constantia is not uncommon at the time & place in
question, including women who could not have been related to Charles
Constantin of Vienne; and if this lady had been his daughter she would not
normally have been named after him by feminising his principal given name
much less a supplementary one, that was probably not even baptismal. Anyway,
the feminine form of this would have been Constantina, not Constantia.

/
Guillaume II 'le Liberateur' of Arles and Provence
/
Constance of Provence
/
Henri I King of France

Peter Stewart...

I wonder if anyone can suggest another, and _undisputed_, connection before
the line to Louis VII that was posted earlier.

Peter Stewart

Any correction gratefully received.
Leo van de Pas