Re: Caldecotis (Bruce-Vipont)

Alex,

1310 Helen de V.i born. Married perhaps Robert Bruce. She was the daughter
of Alan de. Vipont.

Alan Vipont had held Lochleven Castle for the Scots. The Surnames of
Scotland; George F. Black; 1993 Edn

Alan is descended from the Viponts who remained in Scotland, King David
gave to William, the progenitor, Boulton, Carriden and Langton between
1147-50. William de Bosco was witness to a charter of Ivo Vipont sometime
between 1153 and 1177.

Descendants of the Viponts were witness to deeds relating to Edenhall held
by Robert Brus of Edenhall.

I cannot verify any of the following at this time but am searching for
verification.

1)This information was copied from Florence Van Rensselaer: "The Livingston
Family in America and Its Scottish Origins", New York, 1949 pages 58-59 and
46.
Generation One
1.Sir Robert Bruce, Earl of Ross
Died on August 11, 1332 at the Battle of Dupplin.
2.Sir Robert Bruce, a natural son of King Robert the Bruce, was created
Earl of Ross by his elder half brother King David II.
3. Sir Robert Bruce, Earl of Ross, married Helen Vipont, daughter of
Captain Allan Vipont of Lochleven, and they had a son:
* Sir Robert Bruce

2)Edward Bruce, brother of King Robert, left descendants surnamed Brucevia
an illegitimate son (the Bruces of Clackmannan traditionally trace their
descent via this line) Bruces of Clackmannan. ntaylor@fas.harvard.edu
(through 1551) are covered in *Scots Peerage. The Scots Peerage has to
say:vol. I, pp. 436-437
"[re: Edward Bruce] He is generally said to have left three illegitimate
sons, Robert, Alexander, and Thomas, who successively became Earls of
Carrick, but this is a mistake. Robert never existed, or has been confounded
with a son of King Robert of that name; Alexander did become Earl of
Carrick, as will be mentioned hereafter,but Thomas never held the title,
while it is not certain that he was a son of Edward, though there can be no
reasonable doubt that he was the progenitor of the Bruces of Clackmannan."