Re: The parentage of Orm Fitz Ketel (living 1094)

<< Thus all of your remaining analysis is irrelevant -
the original charter was by Count Roger, and many of the names, were
copied from the original - dating them does nothing to validate a late
copy "embellished" (her word) with additional lands and with, among
others, the name of Orm filius Ketel not originally present. >>

I was thinking about this issue again, and I'm curious.... WHY would the
monks add Orm FitzKetel in particular? What was significant about his name,
versus fifty other names they could have added. Was he, at the time, the lord in
that area? Or did they maybe think his name should be on the document,
*because* the competing monks were arguing using the very fact that he was *not* on
it, that it was suspect? It's a curious side-issue :) For me at any rate.

Todd A. Farmerie...

I think this makes overmuch of this one name. What follows are the
witnesses of what Dr. Thompson interprest to be the early and late versions:

Early

Godfrey the sheriff
Oliver of Trenblel,
Ernald Barberoto,
Richard Estormit,
Hervey the priest,
Ansfrid of Montgomery,
Ralph Ghernet,
Odo,
Roger of Montbegon,
Albert Greslet,
William of Raimes,
Roger son of Ernald.

Late

the said earl
his daughter Sibyl
G[odfrey] the sheriff
Albert Greslei
R. son of Robert
W[arin] Bussel
A. his brother
P[agan] de Vilers
Ramunard son of Ailuine

Todd A. Farmerie...

I should have indicated that I, like several others, have been relying
on an OCRed version of the artivle which is a bit confused at points.
As a first step in figuring this out, it would be helpful if someone
with access to the original article could provide the name as it appears
in the original article.

Orm, Ketel
Ulf son of Thorolf
Romkil son of Raign

The takehome message is that there are only two names shared between the
two lists. Why did they change the witnesses? who knows, but they
changed them all - this is not something specific to Orm.