re: Maud de Vernon, wife of Richard de la Haye

Sunday, 21 May, 2006

Dear Tim (et al.),

It would be of great interest to see the 'original' texts, given
the divergent placement of Isabel de Camville as alternately dau. of
Richard 'I' or 'II' de Camville.

For some additional evidence, I prepared a pedigree from
Millicent of Rethel and Richard 'I' de Camville to their great-great
granddaughter (2 greats acc. to CP and Keats-Rohan) Isabel Mauduit,
heiress (in her issue) of the Earldom of Warwick. By my reckoning,
for the one group of generations we have a reasonable chance of
placing in an accurate chronological framework, we would have a
two-generation span, with Isabel de Camville [as daughter of
Millicent of Rethel) being born say 1145/1150, and her granddaughter
(my reckoning) Alice de Newburgh being born say 1197/1205, of
between say 60 (1145 to 1205) and 47 (1150 to 1197) years. These
numbers give average generational spans of between say 30 and 23.5
years, which are certainly reasonable.

If we add in an additional generation (with Richard 'II' de
Camville, as per Keats-Rohan and CP, being born say 1145/50 and as
the father of Isabel de Camville), from Richard to his then
great-granddaughter Alice de Newburgh we would have a
three-generation span of between say 60 (1145 to 1205) and 47
(1150 to 1197) years. These numbers give average generational
spans of between say 20 and 15.6 years, which are not unreasonable.

Short of finding some other dates involving these individuals
which would serve to make the additional generation (Richard 'II')
definite, or rule it out completely, I think a read of the original
documentation is needed.

Cheers,

John

1 Richard de Camville