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Re: Michael Wentworth of Little Harbor, New Hampshire



Thu, 22 Dec 2005 10:17:53 +0000 (UTC) soc.genealogy.medieval
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ADRIANCHANNING...
Nat Taylor wrote

John P. Ravilious...
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ADRIANCHANNING...
The particular royal line for Wentworth that appears in RD600 is wrong;
it contains a chronological impossibility and is based on the alleged
Fitzwilliam - Sothill marriage, which crops up as a perennial problem
here (Joan Fitzwilliam, if she is a Fitzwilliam, cannot be daughter of
the parents given to her there). Gary and I went over some other, more
valid royal lines for Wentworth, one of which will probably appear in
Gary's corrigenda to be included with the next printing of RD600. Based
on work Paul began in the 1990s Wentworth has a couple of those
ubiquitous Yorkshire descents from William the Lion and at least one
from Henry II. Paul's work has not been published, though.

The irony is that Wentworth had a different, and also bogus, line in
RD500.

In addition to Benning Wentworth I think William Wentworth has many
'notable' descendants of the type Gary likes to trace.

Nat Taylor
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Re the Fitzwilliam line, yesterday I came across a Walter Fitwilliam of
Adthlingfleth in a deed dated about 1180. I've not seen a Walter Fitwilliam this
far back in the Yorkshire Fitwilliam pedigrees, nor can I see him mentioned
in Keats-Rohan's DD. Has anybody come accross him?

Adrian

Reference: WWM/D/1; Lease; Creation dates: c.1180
Scope and Content
Clement, Abbot of the Church of St Mary, York., to Walter Fitzwilliam of
Adthlingfleth.
Land in Haldanaby, and the manor of Usafleth, with all appurtenances, viz.
lands, moors and meadows, with clearings and the new furlong, from Wdefleth to
the more, already leased, to the dike called Crosdic, and the fish pond of
Eriscar, and the middle of that land between Horscroft, and the dike which
divides Usafleth and Buthorp. Reciting an agreement between the Church of St
Mary, and the Church of Selby, concerning tithes, but with the exception of
Buthorp tithes.
At a rent of 14 marks of silver, and 7s. 4d., plus Buthorp tithes, which are
already held by Walter Fitzwilliam, at an additional one mark per year.
Witnesses: Joscelin the chaplain, Walter the clerk of Hornes ha, Roger the
clerk of Forcona, Hendone of Athlingfleth, Rauf of these lands, Robert of
these lands, Gervalius the constable, Richard of [Hupp ...], Stephen of [M ...],
Alan of Elmswell, Gaufridus of Ketelby.
n.d. but c.1180, at the time of Abbot Clement.
PRO; A2A; Sheffield Archives_ Wentworth Woodhouse Muniments [WWM_C - WWM_E].
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